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From: J. Clarke on 22 May 2010 13:04
On 5/22/2010 9:17 AM, infowolf1 wrote:
> On May 21, 9:29 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 20, 4:00 am, Jean-Paul Turcaud<montj...(a)sfr.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> AT THIS POINT IN PRESSURE, ANY CRYSTAL IS OF COURSE REDUCED TO A
>>> SOLUTION !
>>
>>> Elementary Dr Watson.
>>
>>> jpturcaud
>>> Australia Mining Pioneer
>>> Founder of the True Geology
>>
>> Zero gravity, so what pressure are you talking about?
>>
>> Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
>> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
>>
>> Why not a crystal lined geode core?
>>
>> ~ BG
>
> Regardless of the validity or lack thereof of this application of
> hyperphysics which is
> at least partly pseudo science anyway,

You really need to either check out the site or learn some physics,
because what they showed was the classical analysis of the gravitational
field inside a hollow spherical shell, familiar to sophomore or junior
physics students the world over.

> IT WOULD ONLY APPLY NEAR THE CORE, and the crystals etc. being
> discussed are from almost at the surface. the rock pressures etc.
> would
> still be valid in the first few hundred miles down from the surface.

It would apply inside any hollow symmetric shell, anywhere inside that
shell. However the Earth is not a hollow symmetric shell.
From: hafeez on 22 May 2010 18:58
On May 23, 3:17 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
>
>
>
>
> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 22, 4:23 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
> >> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 20, 4:00 am, Jean-Paul Turcaud <montj...(a)sfr.fr> wrote:
> >> >> AT THIS POINT IN PRESSURE,  ANY CRYSTAL IS OF COURSE REDUCED TO A
> >> >> SOLUTION !
>
> >> >> Elementary Dr Watson.
>
> >> >> jpturcaud
> >> >> Australia Mining Pioneer
> >> >> Founder of the True Geology
>
> >> >Zero gravity, so what pressure are you talking about?
>
> >> > Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
> >> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
>
> >> But not a spherical solid.
>
> >> > Why not a crystal lined geode core?
>
> >> > ~ BG
>
> >> Eric Stevens
>
> >Could be other than solid.
> >Could be a gaseous inner core.
> >At center could conceivably be a vacuum.
>
> >The mantel of perhaps extensively thorium and heavier elements might
> >be relatively solid, forming a thick and hot shell.  Within that inner
> >shell could be a solid carbonado core, although higher temperatures
> >should make whatever liquid or even gaseous.
>
> >For example, our physically dark moon should be at least 0.1% hollow,
> >although conceivably it's 1%<10% hollow below that extremely thick and
> >fused basalt crust that's so heavy element saturated.
>
> >Bottom line, we do not have sufficient objective information about the
> >interior of Earth to subjectively guess at whatever's inside of other
> >planets or moons.  It seems drilling deep holes into the lithosphere
> >of our planet is at best problematic.
>
> There is one thing we do know about the core: it conducts sound.
>
> Eric Stevens

When sound is conducted by the core of the earth, then the Seismic
waves penetrating in the core indicates that a solid Iron Nickel core
is there from 5121-6371 Kms , surrounded by a liquid Iron Nickel
core.. This si what Seismology tells us.
From: Brad Guth on 23 May 2010 14:01
On May 23, 3:06 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:58:01 -0700 (PDT), hafeez
>
>
>
> <hafeezb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 23, 3:17 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
> >> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 22, 4:23 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
> >> >> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 20, 4:00 am, Jean-Paul Turcaud <montj...(a)sfr.fr> wrote:
> >> >> >> AT THIS POINT IN PRESSURE,  ANY CRYSTAL IS OF COURSE REDUCED TO A
> >> >> >> SOLUTION !
>
> >> >> >> Elementary Dr Watson.
>
> >> >> >> jpturcaud
> >> >> >> Australia Mining Pioneer
> >> >> >> Founder of the True Geology
>
> >> >> >Zero gravity, so what pressure are you talking about?
>
> >> >> > Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
> >> >> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
>
> >> >> But not a spherical solid.
>
> >> >> > Why not a crystal lined geode core?
>
> >> >> > ~ BG
>
> >> >> Eric Stevens
>
> >> >Could be other than solid.
> >> >Could be a gaseous inner core.
> >> >At center could conceivably be a vacuum.
>
> >> >The mantel of perhaps extensively thorium and heavier elements might
> >> >be relatively solid, forming a thick and hot shell.  Within that inner
> >> >shell could be a solid carbonado core, although higher temperatures
> >> >should make whatever liquid or even gaseous.
>
> >> >For example, our physically dark moon should be at least 0.1% hollow,
> >> >although conceivably it's 1%<10% hollow below that extremely thick and
> >> >fused basalt crust that's so heavy element saturated.
>
> >> >Bottom line, we do not have sufficient objective information about the
> >> >interior of Earth to subjectively guess at whatever's inside of other
> >> >planets or moons.  It seems drilling deep holes into the lithosphere
> >> >of our planet is at best problematic.
>
> >> There is one thing we do know about the core: it conducts sound.
>
> >> Eric Stevens
>
> >When sound is conducted by the core of the earth, then the Seismic
> >waves penetrating in the core indicates that a solid Iron Nickel core
> >is there from 5121-6371 Kms , surrounded by a liquid Iron Nickel
> >core.. This si what Seismology tells us.
>
> Precisely, which is why it cannot be hollow.
>
> Eric Stevens

At zero gravity, or perhaps even reverse gravity to us surface
dwellers; where's the pressure coming from?

Are you suggesting that Earth is shrinking? (because that's what I've
been saying all along)

An iron shelled sphere, of say having a meter thick shell and 100
meters radii, plus otherwise filled/displaced with a volume of 90%
water and 10% helium, as situated within the zero delta-V of our Earth-
moon L1(Selene L1), is going to have how much added pressure at it's
core?

Where is that helium eventually going to end up?

Do the same thing except replacing that water with something that's
much heavier than water and semi-solid (always pliable).

~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 23 May 2010 14:08
On May 22, 10:04 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> On 5/22/2010 9:17 AM, infowolf1 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 9:29 pm, Brad Guth<bradg...(a)gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On May 20, 4:00 am, Jean-Paul Turcaud<montj...(a)sfr.fr>  wrote:
>
> >>> AT THIS POINT IN PRESSURE,  ANY CRYSTAL IS OF COURSE REDUCED TO A
> >>> SOLUTION !
>
> >>> Elementary Dr Watson.
>
> >>> jpturcaud
> >>> Australia Mining Pioneer
> >>> Founder of the True Geology
>
> >> Zero gravity, so what pressure are you talking about?
>
> >>   Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
> >>  http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
>
> >>   Why not a crystal lined geode core?
>
> >>   ~ BG
>
> > Regardless of the validity or lack thereof of this application of
> > hyperphysics which is
> > at least partly pseudo science anyway,
>
> You really need to either check out the site or learn some physics,
> because what they showed was the classical analysis of the gravitational
> field inside a hollow spherical shell, familiar to sophomore or junior
> physics students the world over.
>
> > IT WOULD ONLY APPLY NEAR THE CORE, and the crystals etc. being
> > discussed are from almost at the surface. the rock pressures etc.
> > would
> > still be valid in the first few hundred miles down from the surface.
>
> It would apply inside any hollow symmetric shell, anywhere inside that
> shell.  However the Earth is not a hollow symmetric shell.

Perhaps that's only as far as we objectively know. However, how about
our extremely unusual moon(Selene)?

Does something liquid or gaseous always count as being solid?

How about ice?
Is ice a solid, a liquid or a gas?

~ BG
From: Brad Guth on 24 May 2010 07:45
On May 23, 4:10 pm, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 May 2010 11:01:36 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
>
>
> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 23, 3:06 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:58:01 -0700 (PDT), hafeez
>
> >> <hafeezb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 23, 3:17 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
> >> >> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 22, 4:23 am, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...(a)sum.co.nz> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT), Brad Guth
>
> >> >> >> <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On May 20, 4:00 am, Jean-Paul Turcaud <montj...(a)sfr.fr> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> AT THIS POINT IN PRESSURE,  ANY CRYSTAL IS OF COURSE REDUCED TO A
> >> >> >> >> SOLUTION !
>
> >> >> >> >> Elementary Dr Watson.
>
> >> >> >> >> jpturcaud
> >> >> >> >> Australia Mining Pioneer
> >> >> >> >> Founder of the True Geology
>
> >> >> >> >Zero gravity, so what pressure are you talking about?
>
> >> >> >> > Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
> >> >> >> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
>
> >> >> >> But not a spherical solid.
>
> >> >> >> > Why not a crystal lined geode core?
>
> >> >> >> > ~ BG
>
> >> >> >> Eric Stevens
>
> >> >> >Could be other than solid.
> >> >> >Could be a gaseous inner core.
> >> >> >At center could conceivably be a vacuum.
>
> >> >> >The mantel of perhaps extensively thorium and heavier elements might
> >> >> >be relatively solid, forming a thick and hot shell.  Within that inner
> >> >> >shell could be a solid carbonado core, although higher temperatures
> >> >> >should make whatever liquid or even gaseous.
>
> >> >> >For example, our physically dark moon should be at least 0.1% hollow,
> >> >> >although conceivably it's 1%<10% hollow below that extremely thick and
> >> >> >fused basalt crust that's so heavy element saturated.
>
> >> >> >Bottom line, we do not have sufficient objective information about the
> >> >> >interior of Earth to subjectively guess at whatever's inside of other
> >> >> >planets or moons.  It seems drilling deep holes into the lithosphere
> >> >> >of our planet is at best problematic.
>
> >> >> There is one thing we do know about the core: it conducts sound.
>
> >> >> Eric Stevens
>
> >> >When sound is conducted by the core of the earth, then the Seismic
> >> >waves penetrating in the core indicates that a solid Iron Nickel core
> >> >is there from 5121-6371 Kms , surrounded by a liquid Iron Nickel
> >> >core.. This si what Seismology tells us.
>
> >> Precisely, which is why it cannot be hollow.
>
> >> Eric Stevens
>
> >At zero gravity, or perhaps even reverse gravity to us surface
> >dwellers;  where's the pressure coming from?
>
> You can only get zero gravity if the earth is a hollow thin shell. Two
> of us (just now) have explained to the evidence that the earth is
> solid. At this point your theory falls down (or maybe up, if you can
> make your reverse gravity work).
>
> >Are you suggesting that Earth is shrinking? (because that's what I've
> >been saying all along)
>
> >An iron shelled sphere, of say having a meter thick shell and 100
> >meters radii, plus otherwise filled/displaced with a volume of 90%
> >water and 10% helium, as situated within the zero delta-V of our Earth-
> >moon L1(Selene L1), is going to have how much added pressure at it's
> >core?
>
> >Where is that helium eventually going to end up?
>
> >Do the same thing except replacing that water with something that's
> >much heavier than water and semi-solid (always pliable).
>
> Why waste your time trying to analyse and argue about that kind of
> model when the evidence is that it does not apply to the earth?
>
> Eric Stevens

The shell can be several thousand miles thick, and layers of it can be
liquid or even compressed gas. Inside of this thick shell is still
zero or negative gravity.

About my hollow sphere of iron example; Why didn't you just say that
you don't know?

~ BG
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