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From: The Chief Instigator on 21 Feb 2010 22:12

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:52:21 -0500, Brian M. Scott <b.scott(a)csuohio.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:42:12 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher
><k_over_hbarc(a)yahoo.com> wrote in
><news:732e9ee5-5de8-42e1-9efb-5d5194689d7d(a)q29g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
> in
> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english:
>
>> Brian M. Scott wrote:
>
>>>> And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that
>>>> is an incontrovertible fact.
>
>>> Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of
>>> us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week.
>
>> It's historically true. No one questioned it before modern times.
>
> Apparently you're not familiar with the Slavic and Baltic
> day-names. For that matter, Sunday is the first day in
> Jewish tradition for the same reason that Monday is the
> first day for many of us today.
>
> Brian

The Russians start with Ponyedel'nik/Monday (start of the week),
Vtornik/Tuesday (second day), Sreda/Wendesday (the middle day),
Chetverg/Thursday (the fourth day), Pyatnitsa/Friday (the fifth day, which
is often referred to as Pyanitsa, "drunk day"), Subbota/Saturday (the
sabbath), and Voskresen'ye/Sunday (resurrection).

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From: Yusuf B Gursey on 21 Feb 2010 23:48

In sci.lang Brian M. Scott <b.scott(a)csuohio.edu> wrote in <71abjatraoiv$.22pibfupt3i9.dlg(a)40tude.net>:
: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:01:15 +0800, Robert Bannister
: <robban1(a)bigpond.com> wrote in
: <news:7ue3asF7eoU4(a)mid.individual.net> in
: sci.math,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.lang,alt.usage.english:

:> Yusuf B Gursey wrote:

:>> On Feb 19, 11:25 am, Mike Barnes
:>> <mikebar...(a)bluebottle.com> wrote:

: [...]

:>>> But I thought that for most people the whole point of
:>>> Easter is that they get time off work.

:>> not in the US, at least not in my state.

:> Are you saying that Easter is not a holiday in your state?

: He's saying that people don't get time off work on account
: of it. Which is doubtless true; I don't, either.

yes. it is not an official holiday, but there is a slowing down of
bussiness, as some businesses give employees vacation or have a reduced
employee load. I am not a Christian, and while in college I had asked why
we were not eating at the regular cafetaria during. the woman in
charge, a Puerto Rican, answered in shock: "it's Good Friday!"

: Brian

From: Peter T. Daniels on 22 Feb 2010 00:25

On Feb 21, 4:17 pm, Cheryl <cperk...(a)mun.ca> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 10:59 am, Mike Barnes <mikebar...(a)bluebottle.com> wrote:
> >> Yusuf B Gursey <y...(a)theworld.com>:
> >>> On Feb 19, 11:25 am, Mike Barnes <mikebar...(a)bluebottle.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> But I thought that for most people the whole point of Easter is that
> >>>> they get time off work.
> >>> not in the US, at least not in my state.
> >> So I now understand. Here in England, Friday and Monday are holidays,
> >> and school terms fit around them. That's the problem with Easter. I
> >> think it's fair to say that many people here would be happy if they
> >> fixed the dates of the public holidays (e.g. second weekend in April)
> >> and allowed the holy day to shift as it will. I don't if or why
> >> disconnecting them would matter to anyone.
>
> > That's because you're stuck with a state religion.
>
> > In NYC, parking regulations are suspended for just about anyone's
> > religious holidays.
>
> Hey, we get to take some religious holidays (Christmas Day and Good
> Friday) off work even without a state religion! I'm ecumenical; I'd take
> ANY religious holidays. I suspect that there's some rule that you have
> to be a member of the religion in question in order to not work that
> aren't also legal or secular holidays, but that could be fixed by making
> them ALL legal holidays. My home province ended up cancelling some of
> the religious (ie Christian) holidays from the list of legal days off in
> the interests of increased productivity, but some workers still have the
> old list embodied in their contracts. Now, of course, some of them get
> "Mid-March" and "Mid-July" off rather than religious holidays.

What "religious holiday" does "Mid-July" accommodate?

From: Peter T. Daniels on 22 Feb 2010 00:32

On Feb 21, 4:27 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> > > I agree, but how does that mean we must celebrate Easter at the full
> > > moon? (which the Orthodox don't, anyway)
>
> > Come on, the answer to a question about why a particular religious festival
> > must be celebrated on a day fixed by the phases of the Moon is, "Because".
> > So unless you plan to enforce an order to the Catholic Church to abandon a
> > practice that is central to their rituals and celebrations, you are on a
> > hiding to nothing.
>
> The Catholic Church has stated, I believe more than once (it's linked
> to somewhere in this thread) that fixing Easter to a particular week
> would be acceptable.

"The Catholic Church" (which refers to no specific organization)
hasn't spoken for all of Christendom for nearly half a millennium. (It
took almost 200 years to get their newfangled calendar accepted just
throughout Western Europe, and it took the Russian Revolution to get
it used across the East.)

> > Possibly you could have a "civil" calendar and leave the Gregorian calendar
> > for "ritual" use only, the way the Orthodox calendar is used, but the point
> > about the way in which the whole world adopted the Gregorian calendar for
> > civil purposes, even if they were Buddhists or Jews or Shinto or Tao or
> > Atheist, is that it led to standardization and a common agreement about
> > dates for civil and international matters.
>
> Yes, and that is why I propose no change in actual day numbering, just
> in Christmas and Easter and perhaps other holidays and scheduled
> dates, and finally in a standard week numbering starting in August.

From: PaulJK on 22 Feb 2010 00:39

Peter Moylan wrote:
> Halmyre wrote:
>
>> I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.
>
> The present system might sound complicated, but it's a consistently
> reliable method - at least in Australia - for predicting the arrival of
> the first really rainy weekend in the year. This ensures that all the
> people who go camping for the long weekend will be rained out, year
> after year.

Well, in New Zealand that prticular function is performed by Christmas.

Often, the rain keeps regularly returning until the end of January/
beginning of February when the kids go back to school after the
end of summer holidays.

pjk