There is no “pull” of gravity, only the PUSH of flowing ether!
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From: NoEinstein on 27 Mar 2010 13:10 On Mar 25, 5:52 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 25, 3:42 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > Photons don't have... "mass", because they don't give off photons. > > Gamma rays DO give off photons and thus have mass. That is why atomic > > decay LOWERS the atomic number. NoEinstein > > My preferred concept of a photon is as a directed/pointed wave in the > aether which collapses and is detected as a quantum of mather. Ha, mpc755! If that were so, then, light would be unable to cross the Swiss Cheese voids between galaxieswhich are devoid of ether. Ether density across the Universe varies from ZERO to quite high inside of Black Holes, which none-the-less are devoid of gravity. NoEinstein
From: mpc755 on 27 Mar 2010 13:11 On Mar 27, 12:56 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Mar 25, 5:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear mpc755: Obviously, you've fabricated a broad-sounding > explanation(s) of some aspect of science or science observation. But > your verbiage is a detraction from the possible viability of anything > you say, because I and the readers only have so much time to spend. > Those things you keep proposing like: matter "displacing" ether, and > matter and ether being a state of your invented "mather", don't hold > water. So, it's probably pointless to read anything you say. But > I'll give you another chance IF you will stick to discussing the > mechanism of gravity, and will do so without repeating what > OBSERVATION shows to be wrong. NoEinstein > Aether is displaced matter. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is the pressure the aether exerts towards the matter. The pressure associated with the aether displaced by matter is gravity. Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. 'Frictionless supersolid a step closer' http://www.physorg.com/news185201084.html "Superfluidity and superconductivity cause particles to move without friction. Koos Gubbels investigated under what conditions such particles keep moving endlessly without losing energy, like a swimmer who takes one mighty stroke and then keeps gliding forever along the swimming pool." In the analogy the swimmer is any body and the water is the aether. Just as the swimmer displaces the water, whether the swimmer is at rest with respect to the water, or not, a body displaces the aether, whether the body is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. In the analogy the moving swimmer creates a displacement wave in the water. A moving body creates a displacement wave in the aether. 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum medium and the inertial motion of particles' http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the super fluid medium. A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the aether. Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity as the pressure associated with the aether displaced by matter, what is being discussed is the aether being displaced by each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the object. A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference. The Casimir Effect is caused by gravity. Each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the plate displaces the aether. The aether displaced by one plate extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "These are essentially based on the way in which quantities respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0 wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular region. u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular region." This is similar to Einstein's concept of: 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places". There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood. There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether. The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. EINSTEIN' http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy. Aether Displacement is a unified theory.
From: paparios on 27 Mar 2010 13:16 On 27 mar, 12:43, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Mar 25, 4:30 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 25 mar, 16:10, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 12:27 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dear Miguel Rios: If you can, please find a link to the single photon > > > experiment you describe. I may be able to clarify the science truths > > > (or falsehoods). NoEinstein > > > I think you will be able to learn how a real experiment is carried > > out. References are: > > > 1-Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser > > Yoon-Ho Kim,* Rong Yu, Sergei P. Kulik, Yanhua Shih and Marlan O. > > Scully > > PHYSICAL REVIEW LETTERS, VOLUME 84, 3 JANUARY 2000, NUMBER 1 > > > 2-Experimental realization of Wheelers delayed-choice Gedanken > > Experiment > > V. Jacques1, E Wu1, F. Grosshans1, F. Treussart1, P. Grangier, A. > > Aspect, and J.F. Roch > > Science 315, 966 (2007). > > > Miguel Rios > > Dear Miguel Rios: Please explain to me and the readers what you think > isn't "real" about my Dropping Einstein Like a Stone Experiment. Like > I've told others, I don't read anything but the paraphrases of those > who reply. In rare cases I will read a link to an essay composed by > the person replying. You are sadly mistaken if you think "the words > of others" gives you credibility. NoEinstein > > Dropping Einstein Like a Stonehttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/989e1... I think I have not said anything regarding your "Dropping Einstein Like a Stone Experiment". Others have discussed this with you elsewhere and I do not want to waste more of my time with that. In fact I notice that you did ask me for references and, then, when I provided them, you write you rarely read things like papers. That is amazing. Anyway, what I wrote refers to the fact that the experimental realization of Wheelers delayed-choice Gedanken Experiment, was indeed done by using real instrumentation (like photon sources, beam splitters, detectors, etc.) in a real laboratory and, so, it gives a far more stronger support to Quantum Mechanics. Now you also wrote "I may be able to clarify the science truths (or falsehoods)". We are waiting for that to happen. Miguel Rios
From: NoEinstein on 27 Mar 2010 13:18 On Mar 25, 5:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > STOP copying and pasting your GARBAGE, mpc755. Google should ban you for using up good computer storage, much like a virus that keeps copying files! NE > > On Mar 25, 5:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Why try to understand absurd nonsense? > > Describing a wave as propagating the available paths and a particle as > traveling a single path is absurd nonsense? > > If you were able to understand a wave propagates the available paths > and a particle travels a single path then what is occurring in a > 'delayed choice quantum eraser' experiment would be easily understood. > > For example, in the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... > There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. > One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red > or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create > interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set > of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at > D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. > > In the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... > When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be > conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. > This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. > We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the > other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons > travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon > travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. > > There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and > blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the > lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves > create interference which alters the direction the photon travels > prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns > being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they > arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the > 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. > > Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. > Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave > in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern > and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being > detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons > arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The > same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. > > Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at > D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons > arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for > photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and > pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' > photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons > arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both > the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether > waves create interference which alters the direction the photon > travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all > 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created > which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are > creating at D0. > > Figures 3 and 4 here:http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf > Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you > were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the > valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the > original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain > the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. > > Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the > aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths > are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction > the photon 'particle' travels. > > Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement: > > Experiment #1: > > Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters > BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with > BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. > Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, > D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through > BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and > propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the > photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the > corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference > pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the > photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will > form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons > are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, > and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of > detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even > need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the > interference patterns created at D0. > > Experiment #2: > > Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, > have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have > detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a > photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether > wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other > slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon > 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. > Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating > along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether > wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the > aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create > interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the > direction the photon 'particle' travels. > > Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you > feign hypothesis: > > - The future determining the past > - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing > - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair > - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits > simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having > a change in momentum. > - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move > > The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: > > - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate > aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits > - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends > past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced > by the plates forces the plates together > - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. > When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its > spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, > the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. > - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate > aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits > - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by > matter.
From: mpc755 on 27 Mar 2010 13:19
On Mar 27, 1:16 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 27 mar, 12:43, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 4:30 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 25 mar, 16:10, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 12:27 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Dear Miguel Rios: If you can, please find a link to the single photon > > > > experiment you describe. I may be able to clarify the science truths > > > > (or falsehoods). NoEinstein > > > > I think you will be able to learn how a real experiment is carried > > > out. References are: > > > > 1-Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser > > > Yoon-Ho Kim,* Rong Yu, Sergei P. Kulik, Yanhua Shih and Marlan O. > > > Scully > > > PHYSICAL REVIEW LETTERS, VOLUME 84, 3 JANUARY 2000, NUMBER 1 > > > > 2-Experimental realization of Wheelers delayed-choice Gedanken > > > Experiment > > > V. Jacques1, E Wu1, F. Grosshans1, F. Treussart1, P. Grangier, A. > > > Aspect, and J.F. Roch > > > Science 315, 966 (2007). > > > > Miguel Rios > > > Dear Miguel Rios: Please explain to me and the readers what you think > > isn't "real" about my Dropping Einstein Like a Stone Experiment. Like > > I've told others, I don't read anything but the paraphrases of those > > who reply. In rare cases I will read a link to an essay composed by > > the person replying. You are sadly mistaken if you think "the words > > of others" gives you credibility. NoEinstein > > > Dropping Einstein Like a Stonehttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_thread/thread/989e1... > > I think I have not said anything regarding your "Dropping Einstein > Like a Stone Experiment". Others have discussed this with you > elsewhere and I do not want to waste more of my time with that. > > In fact I notice that you did ask me for references and, then, when I > provided them, you write you rarely read things like papers. That is > amazing. > > Anyway, what I wrote refers to the fact that the experimental > realization of Wheelers delayed-choice Gedanken Experiment, was > indeed done by using real instrumentation (like photon sources, beam > splitters, detectors, etc.) in a real laboratory and, so, it gives a > far more stronger support to Quantum Mechanics. > The following explains what is occurring in nature in the 'experimental realization of Wheeler's delayed-choice Gedanken Experiment'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the defined by ai exp(i:Ái=~) with ai and Ái real. internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. For example, in the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice', 'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply misinterpreting what is occurring in nature. In the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you feign hypothesis: - The future determining the past - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in momentum. - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by matter. |