From: Robert L. Oldershaw on
On Jul 8, 10:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I disagree. Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy,
> taught in the humanities departments at universities.
> Philosophy is not currently considered a science,
> precisely because systematic experimental
> confirmation of model predictions is not an essential
> and indispensable activity in philosophy.
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Natural Philosophy is "metaphysics" done properly.

See Democritus, Spinoza, Galileo, Faraday, Einstein,...

Physics = (1) Conceptual foundation of natural philosophy + (2)
mathematical model to give analytical rigor to the NP foundation.


RLO
www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw
From: PD on
On Jul 8, 12:31 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu>
wrote:
> On Jul 8, 10:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I disagree. Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy,
> > taught in the humanities departments at universities.
> > Philosophy is not currently considered a science,
> > precisely because systematic experimental
> > confirmation of model predictions is not an essential
> > and indispensable activity in philosophy.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Natural Philosophy is "metaphysics" done properly.
>
> See Democritus, Spinoza, Galileo, Faraday, Einstein,...
>
> Physics = (1) Conceptual foundation of natural philosophy + (2)
> mathematical model to give analytical rigor to the NP foundation.

+ (3) Application of the scientific method, including corroborated
experimental tests of model's predictions.

Don't do that and it ain't science.
From: PD on
On Jul 8, 12:20 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu>
wrote:
> On Jul 8, 10:26 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Show the calculations. You can link to where the calculations are
> > done.
>
> Go towww.amherst.edu/~rloldershawand click on "Technical Notes" then
> choose #3 "Modeling Subatomic particles ..."
>
> Results reported here:http://journalofcosmology.com/OldershawRobert.pdf

Thanks for this.

I do find your statement that hadrons are characterized by mass,
charge, and spin to be a bit odd. If that were true, then there would
be no support for the various selection rules and branching ratios for
hadron interactions and decays. Moreover, this model seems to neglect
the information available since the 1960's regarding deep inelastic
scattering results, including all the tests of QCD at hadron
accelerators since the late 1970s.

>
> > How do you do with the magnetic moment of the muon?
>
> I am still waiting for someone to derive the magnetic moments and
> gyromagnetic ratios for the p, e, n and u using K-N metric and DSR.
>
> Others need to start participating!
>
> RLOwww.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw

From: RichD on
On Jul 4, 12:18 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>    Uncertainty principle
>      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
>
> "In quantum mechanics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle states by
> precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, like
> position and momentum, cannot simultaneously be known to arbitrary
> precision. That is, the more precisely one property is measured, the
> less precisely the other can be measured. In other words, the more you
> know the position of a particle, the less you can know about its
> velocity, and the more you know about the velocity of a particle, the
> less you can know about its instantaneous position".

That's pretty fuzzy. And not really right.

Consider the following assertions;
1) A particle has a well defined velocity and position,
but we cannot know both.
2) A particle does not have both a well defined velocity
and position.
3) The better we know a particle's position, the greater
the variance when we measure its velocity.

The Wikipedia article implies (1) (or possibly (2),
which is almost meaningless), but (3) is correct.

In other words, the Heisenberg thing is a statement
of nature as probabilistic, and science as statistics,
not a statement of our ignorance.

--
Rich

From: Y.Porat on
On Jul 4, 9:18 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/4/10 1:34 PM, Hayek wrote:
>
> > Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> On 7/4/10 11:37 AM, Hayek wrote:
> >>> Suppose we have an object traveling at an infinite speed.
>
> >>   Suppose you consider things that can happen in the universe.
>
> > You seem to know what happens at uncertainty !
>
> > Share !
>
> > Uwe Hayek.
>
>    Uncertainty principle
>      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
>
> "In quantum mechanics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle states by
> precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, like
> position and momentum, cannot simultaneously be known to arbitrary
> precision. That is, the more precisely one property is measured, the
> less precisely the other can be measured. In other words, the more you
> know the position of a particle, the less you can know about its
> velocity, and the more you know about the velocity of a particle, the
> less you can know about its instantaneous position".

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iow
as for now !!
there is a big difference
betwen what we know
and what 'nature knows''
yet
that does not mean that we cant know
more tha now do now
a great deal oabout what we dont know
is becuse of wrong paradigms
laxk of the betetr measurment toools
that might come later
in some cases we can BYPASS
the H U P
by the pwer of better thinking!
ie
to collect information from diffferent
direction and combine them
toa better knowledge
for instance
according to the HUP
we cant know the mass of the photon
or inner structure of the Atom
yet
by proper information collection and combination from different
data sources
we can know better than current knowledge!!!
2
ne example about current nonsense physics is particles without mass
or
no mass can reach c
or
mass is not conserved
etc etc

Y.Porat
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