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From: Ed Kearns on 4 May 2010 13:57 I've helped a couple of people that needed an upgrade to Tiger. One has a printer that needs it, and also Facebook (she thinks) does. Another needed it to see certain photos coming in email. I think maybe Safari has a problem with anything earlier than Tiger, but I'm hazy on that. I myself have Snow Leopard. Does anyone have a list of issues that older Macs encounter if they don't have Tiger? I ask because I live in a retirement community, and I'd like to remind folks with Macs that if they don't have Tiger they can't do... And if there's a similar list dealing with Leopard or Snow Leopard, I'd appreciate that also. Ed
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kir=E1ly?= on 4 May 2010 14:11 Ed Kearns <kearnser(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a list of issues that older Macs encounter if they don't > have Tiger? I ask because I live in a retirement community, and I'd like to > remind folks with Macs that if they don't have Tiger they can't do... Anything older than Tiger is going to have a tough time with modern websites, unless the websites are very simple. YouTube is pretty much a writeoff. Tiger and earlier OS X versions are no longer being updated with bug fixes or security patches either. It won't be long before all PowerPC support is dropped. -- K. Lang may your lum reek.
From: David Empson on 4 May 2010 17:31 Ed Kearns <kearnser(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've helped a couple of people that needed an upgrade to Tiger. One has a > printer that needs it, and also Facebook (she thinks) does. Another needed > it to see certain photos coming in email. I think maybe Safari has a problem > with anything earlier than Tiger, but I'm hazy on that. I myself have Snow > Leopard. The final update of the 10.3.9 version of Safari is known to be very unreliable - it crashes when accessing certain web sites (and given the number of people who have mentioned this, it must be a pretty wide range of web sites or some quite popular ones). Firefox 2.0.0.20 was the last version which ran on 10.3.9, and Mozilla removed it from their web site some time ago (its final update was in late 2008). The only current web browsers I know of which run on 10.3.9 are iCab and Opera. This is the main reason to get someone upgraded from 10.3 to at least 10.4, so they have more choices in web browsers. The second most important reason is that Tiger had another couple of years of security updates, but it has stopped now. > Does anyone have a list of issues that older Macs encounter if they don't > have Tiger? I ask because I live in a retirement community, and I'd like to > remind folks with Macs that if they don't have Tiger they can't do... > And if there's a similar list dealing with Leopard or Snow Leopard, I'd > appreciate that also. Too many subtle but poorly documented changes to be able to generate a comprehensive list. The specific details are also likely to be technical. For example, 10.3 is limited to running Java 1.4, but 10.4 supports Java 5 (or 1.5 if you refer to the internal numbering scheme). Leopard adds Java 6 (1.6). Lack of support for a particular Java version will prevent running some Java applications, applets, etc. which require features introduced in a later version of Java. Use of any iPhone or iPod model introduced after mid 2007 requires 10.4. (The iPad requires 10.5, and I expect that will also apply to the next iPhone and iPod models.) There is a similar issue with Apple's Airport base stations - recent ones can't be configured from a computer running 10.3. Some printers, scanners and other peripherals require 10.4 because they never developed drivers for older system versions, or new classes of devices were supported directly by 10.4. For example, many more webcams are supported by 10.4 because Apple implemented support for the USB Video class. Conversely, some older peripherals stop working when you upgrade the operating system, because the manufacturer no longer supported it and weren't willing to release a new driver. Many third party applications have dropped support for 10.3, but a notable exception is Skype. 10.4 support is now waning but there still a lot of software which runs on 10.4 but won't run on 10.3. Is the computer compatible with 10.4? Models which are not officially able to run 10.4 at all are those without a built-in Firewire port. Here is a list of models which fall into this camp (but which were officially supported for 10.3): iBook: first generation from July 1999 to September 2000. iMac: all models with tray-loading optical drives, plus the 350 MHz model with a slot-loading CD-ROM drive. (400 MHz and faster is OK.) These were sold from May 1998 up to October 1999 (tray-loading), and 350 MHz slot-loading models were sold until February 2001. PowerBook G3: "Bronze Keyboard" (Lombard) model from May 1999 to February 2000. A second issue is that 10.4 was normally distributed on DVD-ROM, and there is a larger list of models which can run 10.4 but don't have an optical drive which can read DVDs. The original solution was to obtain the CD-ROM install discs from Apple (by special order) but they aren't available any more and were relatively rare so probably hard to locate on the second hand market. Another solution is to use an external drive or borrow another Mac to assist, via Firewire Target Mode. There are many ways to achieve this. The next problem is hard drive space. Many computers running 10.3 have a very small hard drive, and some of them are difficult to upgrade. The computer should have at least 10 GB of free disk space before considering an upgrade to 10.4, and more would be better. The next problem is memory. 10.4 doubled the minimum memory requirement (to 256 MB), and it really needs at least 512 MB to run well, more if using "big" applications. In some cases, it will be possible to ugprade the computer to 10.5, which will give another year or so of "full support". -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Ed Kearns on 4 May 2010 20:19 in article 1ji0gpt.ytzncygnz89N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz, David Empson at dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz wrote on 5/4/10 2:31 PM: > Ed Kearns <kearnser(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've helped a couple of people that needed an upgrade to Tiger. One has a >> printer that needs it, and also Facebook (she thinks) does. Another needed >> it to see certain photos coming in email. I think maybe Safari has a problem >> with anything earlier than Tiger, but I'm hazy on that. I myself have Snow >> Leopard. > > The final update of the 10.3.9 version of Safari is known to be very > unreliable - it crashes when accessing certain web sites (and given the > number of people who have mentioned this, it must be a pretty wide range > of web sites or some quite popular ones). > > Firefox 2.0.0.20 was the last version which ran on 10.3.9, and Mozilla > removed it from their web site some time ago (its final update was in > late 2008). > > The only current web browsers I know of which run on 10.3.9 are iCab and > Opera. > > This is the main reason to get someone upgraded from 10.3 to at least > 10.4, so they have more choices in web browsers. > > The second most important reason is that Tiger had another couple of > years of security updates, but it has stopped now. > >> Does anyone have a list of issues that older Macs encounter if they don't >> have Tiger? I ask because I live in a retirement community, and I'd like to >> remind folks with Macs that if they don't have Tiger they can't do... >> And if there's a similar list dealing with Leopard or Snow Leopard, I'd >> appreciate that also. > > Too many subtle but poorly documented changes to be able to generate a > comprehensive list. The specific details are also likely to be > technical. > > For example, 10.3 is limited to running Java 1.4, but 10.4 supports Java > 5 (or 1.5 if you refer to the internal numbering scheme). Leopard adds > Java 6 (1.6). Lack of support for a particular Java version will prevent > running some Java applications, applets, etc. which require features > introduced in a later version of Java. > > Use of any iPhone or iPod model introduced after mid 2007 requires 10.4. > (The iPad requires 10.5, and I expect that will also apply to the next > iPhone and iPod models.) There is a similar issue with Apple's Airport > base stations - recent ones can't be configured from a computer running > 10.3. > > Some printers, scanners and other peripherals require 10.4 because they > never developed drivers for older system versions, or new classes of > devices were supported directly by 10.4. For example, many more webcams > are supported by 10.4 because Apple implemented support for the USB > Video class. Conversely, some older peripherals stop working when you > upgrade the operating system, because the manufacturer no longer > supported it and weren't willing to release a new driver. > > Many third party applications have dropped support for 10.3, but a > notable exception is Skype. 10.4 support is now waning but there still a > lot of software which runs on 10.4 but won't run on 10.3. > > > Is the computer compatible with 10.4? > > Models which are not officially able to run 10.4 at all are those > without a built-in Firewire port. Here is a list of models which fall > into this camp (but which were officially supported for 10.3): > > iBook: first generation from July 1999 to September 2000. > > iMac: all models with tray-loading optical drives, plus the 350 MHz > model with a slot-loading CD-ROM drive. (400 MHz and faster is OK.) > These were sold from May 1998 up to October 1999 (tray-loading), and 350 > MHz slot-loading models were sold until February 2001. > > PowerBook G3: "Bronze Keyboard" (Lombard) model from May 1999 to > February 2000. > > A second issue is that 10.4 was normally distributed on DVD-ROM, and > there is a larger list of models which can run 10.4 but don't have an > optical drive which can read DVDs. The original solution was to obtain > the CD-ROM install discs from Apple (by special order) but they aren't > available any more and were relatively rare so probably hard to locate > on the second hand market. > > Another solution is to use an external drive or borrow another Mac to > assist, via Firewire Target Mode. There are many ways to achieve this. > > The next problem is hard drive space. Many computers running 10.3 have a > very small hard drive, and some of them are difficult to upgrade. The > computer should have at least 10 GB of free disk space before > considering an upgrade to 10.4, and more would be better. > > The next problem is memory. 10.4 doubled the minimum memory requirement > (to 256 MB), and it really needs at least 512 MB to run well, more if > using "big" applications. > > > In some cases, it will be possible to ugprade the computer to 10.5, > which will give another year or so of "full support". Thank you. A very thorough summary, which I can use to write my note to others here who may need to know. Ed
From: nospam on 5 May 2010 02:46 In article <vilain-C5EBB5.23271404052010(a)news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain <vilain(a)NOspamcop.net> wrote: > You can also add Microsoft Office 2004 to that. It won't install on > 10.3. yes it will <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/871018> To run Microsoft Office 2004, your computer must meet the following minimum requirements: � Processor: Mac OS X-compatible processor that is a model G3 or higher. � Operating System: Mac OS X version 10.2.8 or later.
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