From: Bill Beaty on 28 May 2010 17:38 On May 27, 2:54 pm, bobger...(a)protonex.com (Bob Gerber) wrote: > > Bill Tiller is a respected scientist, but I can't figure this one out. > Because probing into the Unknown must necessarily involve unknowns, the line between revolutionary discovery and crackpot delusion is fuzzy. Because scientific work requires creativity, and creativity involves the brainstorming of crazy ideas followed by brutal triage testing, for this reason a large proportion of scientists are accustomed to generating crazy ideas. Many researchers even have some odd notions they're saving up for their retirement (when such work finally becomes safe, because the actions of their peers have little power to put a halt to their research.) Because human beings are good at fooling themselves, and because top scientists with decades of experience are human beings... well... If Tiller's device turns out to be legit, it will be a scientific revolution on the scale of the invention of fire, or the wheel. Such revolutions are rare. It's longshot betting for a scientist to go looking for the next "wheel/fire" scale of revolutionary breakthrough. That doesn't stop most people though, especially if they've spent their careers working on small, safe, sensible steps forward. On the other hand, if a scientist involved in crazy research has started selling something, it should set off your SCAM ALARM BELLS. Often such things are not a scam, but often they are. If Tiller is putting out books on his odd research, and has acquired a fan base who all want to replicate his experiments in their garages, then probably it isn't a scam.
From: Bill Beaty on 28 May 2010 17:53 On May 27, 9:43 pm, tlbs101 <tlbs...(a)excite.com> wrote: > After skimming through the paper and reading parts, here-and-there, I > started laughing out loud. The more I read, the funnier it got. It's serious, and I see that Tiller has been publishing fringe-sci papers for years: A Gas Discharge Device for Investigating Focused Human Attention http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_04_2_tiller.pdf What Are Subtle Energies? http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_07_3_tiller.pdf Anomalously Large Body Voltage Surges on Exceptional Subjects http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_3_tiller.pdf Subtle Domain Connections to the Physical Domain Aspect of Reality http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_1_tiller.pdf Electronic Device-Mediated pH Changes in Water http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf Energy, Fitness and Information-Augmented EMFs in Drosophila melanogaster http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_14_2_kohane.pdf > > The schematic does absolutely nothing. Neither do the modifications > mentioned cause the circuit to do anything. I am not even sure if the > LED will light because I cannot read the values of the resistor > divider for the opamp. Nor would any "normal" opamp drive 20 mA to > light a "normal" LED. > > The whole thing is most definitely a scam. Nope, it's most definitely Maverick science. I see that Tiller has a WP entry. People there are arguing about whether it should have tags for both "scientist" and "pseudoscientist" (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb a eskimocom http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
From: ehsjr on 28 May 2010 18:41 Bob Gerber wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:25:37 -0700, Tim Wescott <tim(a)seemywebsite.now> > wrote: > > >>>Can anyone please tell me exactly what this circuit is, in electronic >>>terms, and how it could possibly function as described in the linked >>>report below? > > >>I hope this helps your understanding. >> > > > I respect your opinion, but given that you are an engineer can you > please describe to us what this circuit actually is, and what function > it performs, at least in conventional terms? > > http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf > > Scroll down to page three to see the ckts. > > Thank you, > > Bob Gerber > It's a multiplier. It creates a product (the white paper) by multiplying the authors' thoughts times the substance found at the south end of a north bound horse, to create more of the same. Impossible to say precisely how it operates, because, as others have mentioned, the diagram is (intentionaly) unreadable. Ed
From: hamilton on 28 May 2010 21:42 On 5/28/2010 3:38 PM, Bill Beaty wrote: > On May 27, 2:54 pm, bobger...(a)protonex.com (Bob Gerber) wrote: >> >> Bill Tiller is a respected scientist, but I can't figure this one out. >> > > Because probing into the Unknown must necessarily involve unknowns, > the line between revolutionary discovery and crackpot delusion is > fuzzy. If Bill had used terms that are standard and not delusion he would get more credit. It sounds like he wants to jump over science. hamilton
From: Greegor on 29 May 2010 00:47
I sent this. Do you think this will help? from Greg Hanson < greegor47 at gmail > to bill at tillerorg date Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM subject UED Schematic and parts list? William A. Tiller Foundation For New Science Dr.William A.Tiller, et alia: Some associates of mine have taken an interest in your document entitled: "Steps for Moving Psychoenergetics Science Research Into the Hands of Interested General Public Researchers". This paper is at: http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf Figure 1 on page 3 is 2 electronic schematic diagrams of devices you named UED or unimprinted electrical device for Intention-Host Device Research. The schematic is blurry and unclear in critical areas. This is unusual for PDF documents. Do you have a better digital copy of the schematics, and a parts list available online to the general public? Greg Hanson Greegor47 at gmail |