From: Bill Beaty on
On May 27, 2:54 pm, bobger...(a)protonex.com (Bob Gerber) wrote:
>
> Bill Tiller is a respected scientist, but I can't figure this one out.
>

Because probing into the Unknown must necessarily involve unknowns,
the line between revolutionary discovery and crackpot delusion is
fuzzy.

Because scientific work requires creativity, and creativity involves
the brainstorming of crazy ideas followed by brutal triage testing,
for this reason a large proportion of scientists are accustomed to
generating crazy ideas. Many researchers even have some odd notions
they're saving up for their retirement (when such work finally becomes
safe, because the actions of their peers have little power to put a
halt to their research.)

Because human beings are good at fooling themselves, and because top
scientists with decades of experience are human beings... well...

If Tiller's device turns out to be legit, it will be a scientific
revolution on the scale of the invention of fire, or the wheel. Such
revolutions are rare. It's longshot betting for a scientist to go
looking for the next "wheel/fire" scale of revolutionary
breakthrough. That doesn't stop most people though, especially if
they've spent their careers working on small, safe, sensible steps
forward.

On the other hand, if a scientist involved in crazy research has
started selling something, it should set off your SCAM ALARM BELLS.
Often such things are not a scam, but often they are. If Tiller is
putting out books on his odd research, and has acquired a fan base who
all want to replicate his experiments in their garages, then probably
it isn't a scam.
From: Bill Beaty on
On May 27, 9:43 pm, tlbs101 <tlbs...(a)excite.com> wrote:

> After skimming through the paper and reading parts, here-and-there, I
> started laughing out loud.  The more I read, the funnier it got.

It's serious, and I see that Tiller has been publishing fringe-sci
papers for years:

A Gas Discharge Device for Investigating Focused Human Attention
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_04_2_tiller.pdf

What Are Subtle Energies?
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_07_3_tiller.pdf

Anomalously Large Body Voltage Surges on Exceptional Subjects
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_3_tiller.pdf

Subtle Domain Connections to the Physical Domain Aspect of Reality
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_1_tiller.pdf

Electronic Device-Mediated pH Changes in Water
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_13_2_dibble.pdf

Energy, Fitness and Information-Augmented EMFs in Drosophila
melanogaster
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_14_2_kohane.pdf



>
> The schematic does absolutely nothing.  Neither do the modifications
> mentioned cause the circuit to do anything.  I am not even sure if the
> LED will light because I cannot read the values of the resistor
> divider for the opamp.  Nor would any "normal" opamp drive 20 mA to
> light a "normal" LED.
>
> The whole thing is most definitely a scam.

Nope, it's most definitely Maverick science. I see that Tiller has a
WP entry. People there are arguing about whether it should have tags
for both "scientist" and "pseudoscientist"


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From: ehsjr on
Bob Gerber wrote:
> On Thu, 27 May 2010 15:25:37 -0700, Tim Wescott <tim(a)seemywebsite.now>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>Can anyone please tell me exactly what this circuit is, in electronic
>>>terms, and how it could possibly function as described in the linked
>>>report below?
>
>
>>I hope this helps your understanding.
>>
>
>
> I respect your opinion, but given that you are an engineer can you
> please describe to us what this circuit actually is, and what function
> it performs, at least in conventional terms?
>
> http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf
>
> Scroll down to page three to see the ckts.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bob Gerber
>


It's a multiplier. It creates a product (the white paper)
by multiplying the authors' thoughts times the
substance found at the south end of a north bound horse,
to create more of the same. Impossible to say precisely
how it operates, because, as others have mentioned, the
diagram is (intentionaly) unreadable.

Ed
From: hamilton on
On 5/28/2010 3:38 PM, Bill Beaty wrote:
> On May 27, 2:54 pm, bobger...(a)protonex.com (Bob Gerber) wrote:
>>
>> Bill Tiller is a respected scientist, but I can't figure this one out.
>>
>
> Because probing into the Unknown must necessarily involve unknowns,
> the line between revolutionary discovery and crackpot delusion is
> fuzzy.

If Bill had used terms that are standard and not delusion he would get
more credit.

It sounds like he wants to jump over science.

hamilton

From: Greegor on
I sent this. Do you think this will help?


from Greg Hanson < greegor47 at gmail >
to bill at tillerorg
date Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:35 PM
subject UED Schematic and parts list?

William A. Tiller Foundation For New Science

Dr.William A.Tiller, et alia:

Some associates of mine have taken an interest in
your document entitled:
"Steps for Moving Psychoenergetics Science Research Into
the Hands of Interested General Public Researchers".

This paper is at:
http://tillerfoundation.com/White%20Paper%20II.pdf

Figure 1 on page 3 is 2 electronic schematic
diagrams of devices you named UED or
unimprinted electrical device for
Intention-Host Device Research.

The schematic is blurry and unclear in critical areas.
This is unusual for PDF documents.

Do you have a better digital copy of the schematics,
and a parts list available online to the general public?

Greg Hanson
Greegor47 at gmail