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From: Neal Reid on 9 Feb 2010 13:35
In article <1jdnesy.s6ugz7zz4b29N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>,
dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> Sandstone <spambucket(a)infowest.com> wrote:

<snip>
> mpkg itself (e.g. displaying a licence agreement and checking that your
> system is compatible with iTunes).

Ah! If only... The failure to check that my system was compatible is how
I lost the use of the iTunes Store. If Update HAD checked it would have
found 10.5.6 is not compatible and stopped.
From: David Empson on 9 Feb 2010 15:09
Neal Reid <nealreid(a)magma.ca> wrote:

> In article <1jdnesy.s6ugz7zz4b29N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>,
> dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
> > Sandstone <spambucket(a)infowest.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > mpkg itself (e.g. displaying a licence agreement and checking that your
> > system is compatible with iTunes).
>
> Ah! If only... The failure to check that my system was compatible is how
> I lost the use of the iTunes Store. If Update HAD checked it would have
> found 10.5.6 is not compatible and stopped.

The latest iTunes is officially compatible with 10.4.11, or 10.5 or
later.

iTunes 9 also requires Safari 4 or later, which in turn requires 10.4.11
or 10.5.7, however this only affects parts of iTunes relating to the
online stores.

Presumably since Software Update let you install iTunes, it doesn't
check that Safari 4 is actually installed (which it can't be on 10.5.6).

You could try filing a bug report on the iTunes installer to get Apple
to update its requirements to check for 10.5.7 and Safari 4.

By deliberately staying on 10.5.6 you are missing at least six batches
of security updates (and all future ones), plus other Leopard update
which Apple will release after 10.5.8 (which you won't see listed in
Software Update, because it won't show updates that depend on ones you
haven't installed yet), plus any future applications which Apple
releases or updates which work on Leopard - they will almost certainly
require 10.5.8, plus any future peripherals from Apple which work on
Leopard but require new drivers - they will only supply those drivers
for 10.5.8 (e.g. the Magic Mouse, iPad or future iPhone/iPod models),
plus any third party applications which require 10.5.7 or 10.5.8.

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David Empson
dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz
From: Neal Reid on 10 Feb 2010 13:31
In article <1jdovxy.13dww6f1e4ilz6N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>,
dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> By deliberately staying on 10.5.6 you are missing at least six batches
> of security updates (and all future ones), plus other Leopard update

You must have missed a recent answer. I explicitly documented why I have
not upgraded - I read through all the release notes for 10.5.7 and 8 and
found NONE of them applied to my needs.

Having twice now been burned by 'upgrades' breaking my system, I no
longer do them unless they fix a problem I have.
From: J.J. O'Shea on 10 Feb 2010 14:51
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:31:31 -0500, Neal Reid wrote
(in article <nealreid-49B9F5.13313110022010(a)news.magma.ca>):

> In article <1jdovxy.13dww6f1e4ilz6N%dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz>,
> dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
>
>> By deliberately staying on 10.5.6 you are missing at least six batches
>> of security updates (and all future ones), plus other Leopard update
>
> You must have missed a recent answer. I explicitly documented why I have
> not upgraded - I read through all the release notes for 10.5.7 and 8 and
> found NONE of them applied to my needs.
>
> Having twice now been burned by 'upgrades' breaking my system, I no
> longer do them unless they fix a problem I have.

Oh, we read it, we just think that your doing that kind of thing is silly,
and David pointed out that by _not_ moving to 10.5.8 you cannot do certain
things 'cause they require it. Example, which is currently biting you: you
can't install the current version of Safari 'cause it needs 10.5.7 or 10.5.8
and you have 10.5.6. The current version of iTunes requires the current
version of Safari 'cause it's Safari which installs WebKit, and iTunes needs
WebKit to do some things, including to talk to the iTunes Store. This means
that if you continue to refuse to upgrade, you won't be able to use some
features on iTunes. In the short run you can work around the problems which
you are creating for yourself. In the long run you will _have_ to upgrade.

Please note that upgrading to 10.5.8 will _already_ fix a problem that you
say you have; you just don't want to do it. Apple ain't gonna create a
special installer just for you, m'man. And, yes, they can live without the
income from the iTunes Store.

Finally, if you would simply make sure that your system is properly set up in
the first place, upgrades would not 'break your system'. I'm responsible for
several Macs and home and lots more at the office, and have been for a very
long time; I've owned Macs since 1984 and I've done professional work with
them since 1988. No upgrade has _ever_ 'broken' any of the systems on any of
Mac I've been responsible for. Not even one. And whenever someone else brings
me a Mac which has been 'broken' by an update, I can always find where the
user in question did something they should not have done and then didn't fix
it prior to doing the update. It's usually quite easy to find, too. And once
found, it's usually easy to fix. Your reasons for not upgrading are unsound.
Upgrading would fix at least one of your problems _immediately_. But, hey, do
carry on as you are, your sitting and cursing the darkness rather than
lighting a candle does not affect anyone other than yourself.

--
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From: Mike Rosenberg on 10 Feb 2010 16:08
J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to(a)but.see.sig> wrote:

> Please note that upgrading to 10.5.8 will _already_ fix a problem that you
> say you have; you just don't want to do it. Apple ain't gonna create a
> special installer just for you, m'man. And, yes, they can live without the
> income from the iTunes Store.

But this guy was going to use all the funds from that Nigerian wire
transfer to buy from the iTunes Store!

Say, do you remember that woman from several years ago who posted about
lots of problems that would have been fixed if she would update but got
upset every time someone pointed that out? She was furious that Apple
sold her a computer that didn't work properly in the first place. One of
my favorite Usenet posts of all time is the one in which she complained
that her clock didn't change to Daylight Saving time when the current
law went into effect. Somehow Apple was supposed to know prior to the
law being passed and plan accordingly. Oh, and the best part is that she
stayed up until 1 am that night just to see if it happened.

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