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From: BURT on 2 Nov 2009 13:08
If the trains clock is the only one going slow then it will be seen as
the only one going slow. The train will see fast clocks passing around
it. What is not seen is each going slower than the other. This
contradiction is dumb science.

Mitch Raemsch
From: nuny on 2 Nov 2009 13:59
On Nov 2, 10:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> If the trains clock is the only one going slow then it will be seen as
> the only one going slow. The train will see fast clocks passing around
> it. What is not seen is each going slower than the other. This
> contradiction is dumb science.

Let us suppose that at some time in the future, Africa gets its
political poop in a group and begins massive economic development.

Let us further suppose that a descendant of the current TGV train is
built to connect Libreville (in Gabon) and Nairobi (in Kenya). We
shall suppose it was found economical to resculpt a couple of
inconvenient landforms to accomplish this.

Let us consider a train on this rail line traveling west (against
the direction the Earth is rotating) at 1000 mph. There is another
train sitting still on a siding right next to the main line. Each of
the trains has onboard clocks which were synchronized when both trains
were last idle.

The westbound train passes by the idle train. According to your
reasoning above, which train's clock runs slow?


Mark L. Fergerson
From: Inertial on 2 Nov 2009 17:54
"BURT" <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0d4fefb0-ed41-45e3-b67f-694d1fab63ba(a)x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> If the trains clock is the only one going slow then it will be seen as
> the only one going slow. The train will see fast clocks passing around
> it. What is not seen is each going slower than the other. This
> contradiction is dumb science.

So speaks the dumb non-scientist.


From: BURT on 4 Nov 2009 14:44
On Nov 2, 2:54 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote:
> "BURT" <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0d4fefb0-ed41-45e3-b67f-694d1fab63ba(a)x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If the trains clock is the only one going slow then it will be seen as
> > the only one going slow. The train will see fast clocks passing around
> > it. What is not seen is each going slower than the other. This
> > contradiction is dumb science.
>
> So speaks the dumb non-scientist.

If only one clock is the one going slow it can only be seen that that
clock is running slower than the other in every frame. It can't be any
other way.

Mitch Raemsch
From: xxein on 4 Nov 2009 23:54
On Nov 4, 2:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2:54 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote:
>
> > "BURT" <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:0d4fefb0-ed41-45e3-b67f-694d1fab63ba(a)x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > If the trains clock is the only one going slow then it will be seen as
> > > the only one going slow. The train will see fast clocks passing around
> > > it. What is not seen is each going slower than the other. This
> > > contradiction is dumb science.
>
> > So speaks the dumb non-scientist.
>
> If only one clock is the one going slow it can only be seen that that
> clock is running slower than the other in every frame. It can't be any
> other way.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

xxein: If you are stupid, it can only be seen that you are stupid for
every case. It can't be any other way.
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