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From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 15 Jun 2010 07:23 "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:hv7idl$mhg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "George's Pro Sound Co." <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:i-ednYQC8szbXYvRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> Dear sir, you are entitled to your opinion, if the line arrays did >> actually sound better I would be all about them, but sadly they don't. I >> have not ever heard a single line array that sounds "Natural" , which is >> the standards I use , "does this sound just like the act would without a >> PA system but only louder,?" line arrays do not do that >> just because something is the flavor of the week does not make it better >> and you ought know this by now. > > Who said anything about line arrays George? A nice D&B C system, > conventional boxes, will give any Meyer range a run for it's money. > > Phildo > I believe I said they were useable, nicer than the EAW stuff but not in Meyer league IMO and that is why there are lots of makers of boxes so we can each find the one that pleases us for the style of work we do Peace G
From: Ron on 15 Jun 2010 07:52 On 15/06/2010 12:23, George's Pro Sound Co. wrote: > "Phildo"<Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message > news:hv7idl$mhg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "George's Pro Sound Co."<bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:i-ednYQC8szbXYvRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >>> Dear sir, you are entitled to your opinion, if the line arrays did >>> actually sound better I would be all about them, but sadly they don't. I >>> have not ever heard a single line array that sounds "Natural" , which is >>> the standards I use , "does this sound just like the act would without a >>> PA system but only louder,?" line arrays do not do that >>> just because something is the flavor of the week does not make it better >>> and you ought know this by now. >> >> Who said anything about line arrays George? A nice D&B C system, >> conventional boxes, will give any Meyer range a run for it's money. >> >> Phildo >> > I believe I said they were useable, nicer than the EAW stuff but not in > Meyer league IMO > and that is why there are lots of makers of boxes so we can each find the > one that pleases us for the style of work we do > Peace > G > > You can argue about this for ever, personal preference plays a major part. Maybe it`s a US sound verses European sound thing, I don't know. I must admit, I`ve never to my knowledge heard any Meyer, it`s just not common over here, but my opinion of d&b and to some extent Nexo is that it`s very very clean and clinical in its accuracy and that's not to a lot of peoples liking. I`m not talking line array here. Coupled to a digital desk, I've found it can become irritating and lacking in 'organic' substance, a very 'processed' sound. Having said that I wouldn`t turn down a few boxes if they were offered to me :) Just my tuppence worth Ron(UK)
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 15 Jun 2010 08:08 "Ron" <ron(a)lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message news:zq6dnbUAQPIM9IrRnZ2dnUVZ8hKdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > On 15/06/2010 12:23, George's Pro Sound Co. wrote: >> "Phildo"<Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message >> news:hv7idl$mhg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "George's Pro Sound Co."<bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:i-ednYQC8szbXYvRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >>>> Dear sir, you are entitled to your opinion, if the line arrays did >>>> actually sound better I would be all about them, but sadly they don't. >>>> I >>>> have not ever heard a single line array that sounds "Natural" , which >>>> is >>>> the standards I use , "does this sound just like the act would without >>>> a >>>> PA system but only louder,?" line arrays do not do that >>>> just because something is the flavor of the week does not make it >>>> better >>>> and you ought know this by now. >>> >>> Who said anything about line arrays George? A nice D&B C system, >>> conventional boxes, will give any Meyer range a run for it's money. >>> >>> Phildo >>> >> I believe I said they were useable, nicer than the EAW stuff but not in >> Meyer league IMO >> and that is why there are lots of makers of boxes so we can each find the >> one that pleases us for the style of work we do >> Peace >> G >> >> > > You can argue about this for ever, personal preference plays a major part. > Maybe it`s a US sound verses European sound thing, I don't know. Probably goes hand in hand with my dislike for AKG microphones just really "empty' sounding IMO > > I must admit, I`ve never to my knowledge heard any Meyer, it`s just not > common over here, but my opinion of d&b and to some extent Nexo is that > it`s very very clean and clinical in its accuracy and that's not to a lot > of peoples liking. I`m not talking line array here. > Coupled to a digital desk, I've found it can become irritating and lacking > in 'organic' substance, a very 'processed' sound. > Having said that I wouldn`t turn down a few boxes if they were offered to > me :) The d&B line array is pretty good if you like the sound of line arrays the Nexo seems to polarize lots of people I Just won't pull a 100,000$ (+) trigger on something I can't believe in and unlike some other very opinionated folks, I don't just use this stuff , I also BUY it, with MY money, and there are ALOT better ways to earn money doing sound that stuffing your company full of expensive gear that you can not sell do to the clients not having the money to support a 30,000$ production when a 10,000$ production will serve the needs just as well I let others chase thier egos, my biggest concerns when making a business decision, does the represent my vision,and will it EARN me money, or simply give me bragging right In upstate NY I know of 4 sizable line arrays that can't find work, why would I even consider joining that club? George George > > Just my tuppence worth > > Ron(UK)
From: Arny Krueger on 15 Jun 2010 09:27 "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message news:hp7hsu$d6r$1(a)speranza.aioe.org > Gareth Magennis wrote: >> >> >> "bob urz" <sound(a)inetnebr.com> wrote in message >> news:hp5nih$40t$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> http://www.manufacturing.net/article.aspx?id=250108 >>> >>> bob >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob, what does a Boeing contract have to do with live >> sound? > > Nothing? Whoops. > My copy and paste attempt obviously failed.... > > > http://www.manufacturing.net/article.aspx?id=250124 > > which is still not directly live sound, but about > electronics. And since a large percentage of gear seems > to get made in that part of the world these days, of some > interest. > It would be interesting to know about the Chinese live > sound production market. other than the Olympics, you > really don't see a lot of stories on it. Who knows, > feedback could but you in jail over there... > > I recently read that JBL was going to quit building > diaphragms and some speakers in Northridge. Probably > another manufacturing job headed to china or such in the > future. Diaphragms for direct radiators have been dominated by the Chinese for a long time. Why shouldn't compression driver diaphragms follow? Behind all this is the fact that very little about compression drivers has changed since the introduction of titanium and higher temp adhesives and varnishes for the voice coils. That was at least 20 years ago. If the Chinese can do as good if not better job for so much less, why not let them? There's only one reason for any kind of job to stay in the US, and that is because it needs a US quality worker and shop to be done right. If its old tech, leave it to others.
From: Denny Strauser on 16 Jun 2010 03:28
Krooburg Science wrote: ><snipped> > For the record, I OWN a trap system. It works fine for the personal > stuff I do which is small stuff. But I've also tech and deployed line > sources for big and medium shows, companies and tours for over a > decade now. They're fantastic. If I could afford one of these "cheap" > systems, you bet I'd have one - or even several. > <more snip> The Peavey Versarray: http://www.peavey.com/products/versarray/index.cfm is actually a decent sounding line array system that won't cost $1,000,000. I believe the Ozz Fest used it on the second or third stage, & there are a large number of opinions of the system posted on prosoundweb.com When I heard that I had to mix on a Peavey system, I was worried, but I was pleasantly surprised. Even George might tell you it sounded decent; he saw a rehearsal & show I mixed on the Versarray. Like George, I am a Meyer fan; and unlike George, I am a line array fan. I've mixed on Meyer I've mixed on Meyer Mica & Milo. I've also used a number of Meyer trap cabs. I like all Meyer stuff, especially their subs. I also agree with Phildo that D&B are quality stuff. I think that there are numerous quality products out there, & they all have applications that are appropriate. But good line array technology would be my first choice. I like the sound of EAW 850's, but lobing is terrible with a large - or even a medium size - array. The 853 long throw cabs are less prone to lobing. And many line arrays do have lobing problems. If you use Meyer's on-line array modeling for Mica & Milo, you'll see there are clear lobes in arrays. But. like I said, I'll choose a line array before a trap cab for most applications. And I'd like to point out to George, who is a Grateful Dead fan (and the Dead used Meyer trap cabs), the Dead stacked their subs in a vertical line array for outdoor shows. For stadium shows, their subs were stacked 14 high and one wide. That is a 50' spindle of subs. Not to mention that the Wall Of Sound was damn close to a line array. And that center cluster vocal array was designed as a point source (line array on both vertical & horizontal axises. Just my 2 cents ... - Denny |