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From: Geoff Schaller on 21 Nov 2005 22:12 Oops - sorry - ignore this.
From: Geoff Schaller on 21 Nov 2005 22:17 I don't know Phil. I guess I would have to see how code I "know" translates to see whether I thought I could make commercial sense of it. I look at it this way: if I need to build a data entry window, I build it. I reckon it would take almost as long to reverse engineer it. If I wanted some complex insurance calcs then reverse engineered theft might have some commercial imperative. How practical this all is in real terms I am yet to assess. Geoff "Phil McGuinness" <heyphil(a)sherlock.com.au> wrote in message news:43828bc9(a)news.comindico.com.au: > Geoff > > It is interesting to see how this FOX product works out. > > http://www.xenocode.com/Products/Fox/ > > Once you have the MSIL you can view the source in C# or VB.NET > > " Work in a language of your choice: Xenocode Fox allows code to be viewed > in the C#, VB.NET, and IL assembly languages. > > Instantly translate between languages - regardless of original source > language. > > > Phil McGuinness - Sherlock Software > --
From: TSDing on 21 Nov 2005 22:45 If Grafx could not solve small problems like Image Editor in VO32, can you expect us to believe it can produce a .NET compiler ? Grafx can't even win support of some of the most loyal VO users and yet it expects to market Vulcan ? Most of us has been doing VO for the past 10 years. We have been working with work-arounds... can Grafx just put all those work-arounds into VO ? I do not see it that hard to do. I am sure many people in VO community will be very happy to contribute their codes. It is Grafx with its ego which does not wants any help. If Grafx is believing that VO32 has no future, why does it took up the product in the first place ? Why not just go and develop Vulcan.NET without geting involved with VO32 ? We need not compare with Microsoft. We need a better VO32, Grafx is entrusted to do that. You may well be able to produce a .NET from VO code but whats the point ? I work with a tool that fully exploit the .NET framework. Imagine that you still have VO data browser, functions, procedures and pre-processors in Vulcan.NET. Regards Ding > What you expect does not necessarily have any bearing on reality. And I > don't mean that to be flippant or arrogant, but sometimes what we expect > simply can't be delivered. > > I could expect the US government to fix every road and bridge in this > country and keep them all in top condition at all times. Seems a fairly > reasonable expectation, but in reality it is beyond the ability of the > government to pay for that. > > The point being that every company has limitations. You may be unaware > of those limitations, but they exist nonetheless. Sometimes it helps to > put yourself in the other person's (or company's) place and imagine what > issues they face, what they're capable of doing, how they must prioritize > things, and so on. > > Even Microsoft can't necessarily fix everything with their software, > despite the hoards of cash they have and the hundreds of thousands of > employees at their disposal. > >> I know you are working hard on Vulcan.NET, you probably thinking that >> everyone will be happy to move from VO to Vulcan... but there are VO >> people >> who does not want Vulcan and does not believe it is possible to compile >> VO32 >> codes into a .NET. > > No, I don't think that at all. Some people will be happy to move from VO > to Vulcan, other people won't be interested. You can't please everyone, > you just have to try and do the best you can with the resources you have. > > Whether anyone believes that it is possible to compile VO code into .NET > or not doesn't really matter. We believe we can do it. Maybe we'll > succeed and maybe we'll fail but you don't get anywhere in life by > listening to the naysayers. > > Are you aware that you can compile C++ code into .NET? VO is a far less > complex language than C++, so it stands to reason that it is possible to > compile VO code into .NET. There are .NET versions of Delphi, Cobol, > Perl, Java and many others. What would exclude VO from that list? > > -- > Don >
From: Don Caton on 21 Nov 2005 23:26 "TSDing" <dingts(a)pc.jaring.my> wrote in message news:43829470$1_1(a)news.tm.net.my: > It is Grafx with its ego which does not wants any help. You're right, of course. Never mind. -- Don
From: Ginny Caughey on 22 Nov 2005 06:56
Phil, > Once you have the MSIL you can view the source in C# or VB.NET > > " Work in a language of your choice: Xenocode Fox allows code to be > viewed > in the C#, VB.NET, and IL assembly languages. > > Instantly translate between languages - regardless of original source > language. You can also do that with the free Reflector from Lutz Roeder. I don't know which does a better job, but if you have the Xenocode Fox I'd be interested in your opinion. Ginny |