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From: Johel on 19 Nov 2005 10:09 > Ginny > > Well worth reading and supports what Johel is saying > > http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,39020463,39236745,00.htm I've been saying it for the last 4 years now and people still do not understand. Well, Google is my friend and what I said to Ginny back in 2001 in still there. Regards, Johel
From: Johel on 19 Nov 2005 10:18 Ginny, > Let me make sure I understand: imported products are expensive relative to > GDP in countries with a low GDP. Isn't that what's called a tautology? No. It is called a _mistake_ or _error_. The GDP does not matter. The POP does. POP means power of purchase. I said it to you years ago in this very NG. Johel
From: Ginny Caughey on 19 Nov 2005 13:38 Johel, > You're completely wrong. I have 3 options to go to DotNet: CULE, Vulcan > and C#, in that order at the moment. Only 3? What about VB and Delphi.NET or pehaps managed C++? > That's fantastic. That's exactly what I think GrafxSoft should do. > I have a different need for Vulcan than yours. Really? I guess you don't need Vulcan for commercial apps then? You won't need ongoing enhancements to Vulcan over the coming years? If so, then your needs are indeed different. > Where is Nantucket? As I remember it was "doing something very well > that so few others are doing that you can charge more for it, and > that's an area that is particularly well suited to small companies > without a lot of overhead and tiers of management." Good example. I think Barry Rebell got $6 million for Nantucket when he sold it to CA. Maybe somebody knows the exact figure, but Nantucket was certainly not a failure if that's what you're implying. The owner just decided he'd like to retire and enjoy his wealth. > OK. But then you're a very dangerous person to influence Vulcan and > GrafxSoft. For you Vulcan is just "a tool that can help me get my VO > code into that world too". Right - it's a tool to get my existing VO code to .NET. Once you've generated MSIL using whatever .NET compiler, you can extend those apps with any other .NET compiler. That's one of the advantages of .NET. I fail to see how knowing that makes me particularly dangerous however. But that was > more than expected given that you are an MVP. To have good business > relationships with MS you (and anyone) _must_ use MS tools or else.... If I didn't use Microsoft products, I wouldn't be able to help other people with them now would I? I am a Compact Framework MVP and there are currently only 2 languages that target the Compact Framework - C# and VB. I prefer C#. Vulcan will join that group, but it isn't there yet. > For me and the majority here in this NG CULE and/or Vulcan will be our > main development language. So now you speak for "the majority". Better watch out, because Geoff thinks he does. ;-) As it turns out, I do think that most VO developers will end up moving to Vulcan since it's the only .NET compiler that targets existing VO code and it's really just the next step in VO's evolution. What Vulcan shops do after that will depend on the people they have working for them and what languages they are most productive in. In this part of the world where labor costs are high relative to the cost of software tools, that's the smart business move. If your situation is different, then of course you will make different choices based on what's smart for you. >> Johel, if the difference in price between C# Express (free) and another >> version of VS that costs, say, $500 even matters, then I have to assume >> you >> just don't have very much code to migrate > > The cost of VS2005, MSDN, etc here is a _lot_ more expensive. You > really can't understand the World outside your neighborhood... worst > than that; you do not want to learn. Here's what I can understand - if you can pay somebody to rewrite all your VO apps in C# for $500, then you should do it. Since C# Express is free, why spend the money for CULE or Vulcan at around $1000? I'm only guessing, but I assume the only reason you haven't already rewritten all your VO apps using the free C# Express is that it could cost you, even in your part of the world, more than the price of CULE or Vulcan to move your apps to .NET. Ginny
From: Don Caton on 19 Nov 2005 13:51 "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message news:3u99t0F109gn4U1(a)individual.net: > Good example. I think Barry Rebell got $6 million for Nantucket when he sold > it to CA. Maybe somebody knows the exact figure, but Nantucket was certainly > not a failure if that's what you're implying. The owner just decided he'd > like to retire and enjoy his wealth. I have no idea how much Barry personally received, but as I recall, CA paid somewhere around $70 million for Nantucket. Don't know if that included any real estate or other tangible property, or just intellectual property. -- Don
From: Ginny Caughey on 19 Nov 2005 14:07
Thanks, Don. Maybe it was $60 million that Barry got then. By any measure in any part of the world a pretty sweet deal for Nantucket. -- Ginny "Don Caton" <dcaton(a)shorelinesoftware.com> wrote in message news:a7WdnY6hNJm26eLeRVn-oQ(a)comcast.com... > "Ginny Caughey" <ginny.caughey.online(a)wasteworks.com> wrote in message > news:3u99t0F109gn4U1(a)individual.net: > >> Good example. I think Barry Rebell got $6 million for Nantucket when he >> sold >> it to CA. Maybe somebody knows the exact figure, but Nantucket was >> certainly >> not a failure if that's what you're implying. The owner just decided he'd >> like to retire and enjoy his wealth. > > I have no idea how much Barry personally received, but as I recall, CA > paid somewhere around $70 million for Nantucket. Don't know if that > included any real estate or other tangible property, or just intellectual > property. > > -- > Don > |