From: ohaya on
Bob,

What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"?

The way it hangs is really strange. I typically have 3 guests running
when it happens. When I watch Task Manager, there's activity, then all
of a sudden CPU utilization just drops. At that point, all 3 of the
guests' windows are frozen (the VPC console also, if I had it
displayed). Everything "outside" of VPC seems to still work, i.e., I
can open up a browser on the host, etc.

Then, if I try to close one of the guests' windows by clicking on the
"X", all 3 windows die.

What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest
hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one),
cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated?

It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something
within a guest host be doing that would cause that???

Jim



Robert Comer wrote:
> I doubt it.
>
> It sounds like either a driver issue, or some other piece of software you
> have on your PC is interfering with VPC somehow. (any shell enhancement
> software running?)
>
From: Robert Comer on
> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"?

Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer.

> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest
> hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one),
> cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated?

Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense that when
the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. Virtual Server
wouldn't act the same.

Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why it does
what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. Is there any
kind of message in the event viewer system and Application logs?

> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something
> within a guest host be doing that would cause that???

That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its
something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on the
host.

Is there some kind of power management software running (something to quite
the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host)

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>






"ohaya" <ohaya(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:uxsRnjyrGHA.3748(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Bob,
>
> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"?
>
> The way it hangs is really strange. I typically have 3 guests running
> when it happens. When I watch Task Manager, there's activity, then all of
> a sudden CPU utilization just drops. At that point, all 3 of the guests'
> windows are frozen (the VPC console also, if I had it displayed).
> Everything "outside" of VPC seems to still work, i.e., I can open up a
> browser on the host, etc.
>
> Then, if I try to close one of the guests' windows by clicking on the "X",
> all 3 windows die.
>
> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest
> hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one),
> cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated?
>
> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something
> within a guest host be doing that would cause that???
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Robert Comer wrote:
>> I doubt it.
>>
>> It sounds like either a driver issue, or some other piece of software you
>> have on your PC is interfering with VPC somehow. (any shell enhancement
>> software running?)
>>


From: ohaya on
Bob,

Comments below, interspersed....

Thanks for 'hanging in there' with this one...


Robert Comer wrote:
>> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"?
>
> Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer.

Then, no, I don't have any shell enhancement software...



>
>> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest
>> hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one),
>> cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated?
>
> Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense that when
> the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. Virtual Server
> wouldn't act the same.
>
> Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why it does
> what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. Is there any
> kind of message in the event viewer system and Application logs?


I *am* seeing the following under Application Logn (these events seem to
come in pairs, and the offset shown in the 2nd event is the same as in
the popup when I get the "Unexpected" error):

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1001
Date: 7/24/2006
Time: 4:49:44 AM
User: N/A
Computer: TESTWIN2K
Description:
The description for Event ID ( 1001 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC
2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary
registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a
remote computer. The following information is part of the event: 143763969.
Data:
0000: 42 75 63 6b 65 74 3a 20 Bucket:
0008: 31 34 33 37 36 33 39 36 14376396
0010: 39 0d 0a 9..

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1000
Date: 7/24/2006
Time: 4:49:06 AM
User: N/A
Computer: TESTWIN2K
Description:
The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC
2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary
registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a
remote computer. The following information is part of the event: virtual
pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, 0005ba8b.
Data:
0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
0010: 75 72 65 20 20 76 69 72 ure vir
0018: 74 75 61 6c 20 70 63 2e tual pc.
0020: 65 78 65 20 35 2e 33 2e exe 5.3.
0028: 35 38 32 2e 32 37 20 69 582.27 i
0030: 6e 20 76 69 72 74 75 61 n virtua
0038: 6c 20 70 63 2e 65 78 65 l pc.exe
0040: 20 35 2e 33 2e 35 38 32 5.3.582
0048: 2e 32 37 20 61 74 20 6f .27 at o
0050: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00
0058: 30 35 62 61 38 62 0d 0a 05ba8b..






>
>> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something
>> within a guest host be doing that would cause that???
>
> That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its
> something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on the
> host.
>
> Is there some kind of power management software running (something to quite
> the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host)

I have AMD Powernow in the "Services", but I set that to not start since
yesterday, and the problems still have been occurring since then...

Jim

From: ohaya on
Hi,

You mentioned Virtual Server. Are you saying that I would not have
these problems if I switched to VS? I might be able to do that, but
what do I need as the host? I think I have a VS 2005 R2 DVD, and this
machine is pretty much dedicated to my testing, so I think I might be
able to switch to a different OS if it would eliminate the problems!

Jim


ohaya wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Comments below, interspersed....
>
> Thanks for 'hanging in there' with this one...
>
>
> Robert Comer wrote:
>>> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"?
>>
>> Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer.
>
> Then, no, I don't have any shell enhancement software...
>
>
>
>>
>>> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL"
>>> guest hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there
>>> is one), cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose
>>> to be isolated?
>>
>> Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense
>> that when the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies.
>> Virtual Server wouldn't act the same.
>>
>> Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why
>> it does what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be.
>> Is there any kind of message in the event viewer system and
>> Application logs?
>
>
> I *am* seeing the following under Application Logn (these events seem to
> come in pairs, and the offset shown in the 2nd event is the same as in
> the popup when I get the "Unexpected" error):
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 1001
> Date: 7/24/2006
> Time: 4:49:44 AM
> User: N/A
> Computer: TESTWIN2K
> Description:
> The description for Event ID ( 1001 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC
> 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary
> registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a
> remote computer. The following information is part of the event: 143763969.
> Data:
> 0000: 42 75 63 6b 65 74 3a 20 Bucket:
> 0008: 31 34 33 37 36 33 39 36 14376396
> 0010: 39 0d 0a 9..
>
> Event Type: Error
> Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 1000
> Date: 7/24/2006
> Time: 4:49:06 AM
> User: N/A
> Computer: TESTWIN2K
> Description:
> The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC
> 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary
> registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a
> remote computer. The following information is part of the event: virtual
> pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, 0005ba8b.
> Data:
> 0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
> 0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
> 0010: 75 72 65 20 20 76 69 72 ure vir
> 0018: 74 75 61 6c 20 70 63 2e tual pc.
> 0020: 65 78 65 20 35 2e 33 2e exe 5.3.
> 0028: 35 38 32 2e 32 37 20 69 582.27 i
> 0030: 6e 20 76 69 72 74 75 61 n virtua
> 0038: 6c 20 70 63 2e 65 78 65 l pc.exe
> 0040: 20 35 2e 33 2e 35 38 32 5.3.582
> 0048: 2e 32 37 20 61 74 20 6f .27 at o
> 0050: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00
> 0058: 30 35 62 61 38 62 0d 0a 05ba8b..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something
>>> within a guest host be doing that would cause that???
>>
>> That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its
>> something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on
>> the host.
>>
>> Is there some kind of power management software running (something to
>> quite the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host)
>
> I have AMD Powernow in the "Services", but I set that to not start since
> yesterday, and the problems still have been occurring since then...
>
> Jim
>
From: Robert Comer on
> You mentioned Virtual Server. Are you saying that I would not have these
> problems if I switched to VS?

Maybe, maybe not, no way to say, there are a few things updated in Virtual
Server R2 that might make a difference. it all depends on what is causing
the problem in the first place.

>I might be able to do that, but what do I need as the host?

You would need IIS, but I don't think Win2000 is a supported host. I don't
know if it will even install.

> I think I have a VS 2005 R2 DVD, and this machine is pretty much dedicated
> to my testing, so I think I might be able to switch to a different OS if
> it would eliminate the problems!

That might be the best.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>



"ohaya" <ohaya(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:uiEMmd3rGHA.4004(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> You mentioned Virtual Server. Are you saying that I would not have these
> problems if I switched to VS? I might be able to do that, but what do I
> need as the host? I think I have a VS 2005 R2 DVD, and this machine is
> pretty much dedicated to my testing, so I think I might be able to switch
> to a different OS if it would eliminate the problems!
>
> Jim
>
>
> ohaya wrote:
>> Bob,
>>
>> Comments below, interspersed....
>>
>> Thanks for 'hanging in there' with this one...
>>
>>
>> Robert Comer wrote:
>>>> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"?
>>>
>>> Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer.
>>
>> Then, no, I don't have any shell enhancement software...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest
>>>> hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one),
>>>> cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be
>>>> isolated?
>>>
>>> Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense that
>>> when the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. Virtual
>>> Server wouldn't act the same.
>>>
>>> Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why it
>>> does what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. Is
>>> there any kind of message in the event viewer system and Application
>>> logs?
>>
>>
>> I *am* seeing the following under Application Logn (these events seem to
>> come in pairs, and the offset shown in the 2nd event is the same as in
>> the popup when I get the "Unexpected" error):
>>
>> Event Type: Error
>> Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
>> Event Category: None
>> Event ID: 1001
>> Date: 7/24/2006
>> Time: 4:49:44 AM
>> User: N/A
>> Computer: TESTWIN2K
>> Description:
>> The description for Event ID ( 1001 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC
>> 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary
>> registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a
>> remote computer. The following information is part of the event:
>> 143763969.
>> Data:
>> 0000: 42 75 63 6b 65 74 3a 20 Bucket:
>> 0008: 31 34 33 37 36 33 39 36 14376396
>> 0010: 39 0d 0a 9..
>>
>> Event Type: Error
>> Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
>> Event Category: None
>> Event ID: 1000
>> Date: 7/24/2006
>> Time: 4:49:06 AM
>> User: N/A
>> Computer: TESTWIN2K
>> Description:
>> The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC
>> 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary
>> registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a
>> remote computer. The following information is part of the event: virtual
>> pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, 0005ba8b.
>> Data:
>> 0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
>> 0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
>> 0010: 75 72 65 20 20 76 69 72 ure vir
>> 0018: 74 75 61 6c 20 70 63 2e tual pc.
>> 0020: 65 78 65 20 35 2e 33 2e exe 5.3.
>> 0028: 35 38 32 2e 32 37 20 69 582.27 i
>> 0030: 6e 20 76 69 72 74 75 61 n virtua
>> 0038: 6c 20 70 63 2e 65 78 65 l pc.exe
>> 0040: 20 35 2e 33 2e 35 38 32 5.3.582
>> 0048: 2e 32 37 20 61 74 20 6f .27 at o
>> 0050: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00
>> 0058: 30 35 62 61 38 62 0d 0a 05ba8b..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something
>>>> within a guest host be doing that would cause that???
>>>
>>> That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its
>>> something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on
>>> the host.
>>>
>>> Is there some kind of power management software running (something to
>>> quite the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host)
>>
>> I have AMD Powernow in the "Services", but I set that to not start since
>> yesterday, and the problems still have been occurring since then...
>>
>> Jim
>>


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