From: ohaya on 24 Jul 2006 09:58 Bob, What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"? The way it hangs is really strange. I typically have 3 guests running when it happens. When I watch Task Manager, there's activity, then all of a sudden CPU utilization just drops. At that point, all 3 of the guests' windows are frozen (the VPC console also, if I had it displayed). Everything "outside" of VPC seems to still work, i.e., I can open up a browser on the host, etc. Then, if I try to close one of the guests' windows by clicking on the "X", all 3 windows die. What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one), cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated? It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something within a guest host be doing that would cause that??? Jim Robert Comer wrote: > I doubt it. > > It sounds like either a driver issue, or some other piece of software you > have on your PC is interfering with VPC somehow. (any shell enhancement > software running?) >
From: Robert Comer on 24 Jul 2006 10:10 > What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"? Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer. > What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest > hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one), > cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated? Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense that when the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. Virtual Server wouldn't act the same. Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why it does what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. Is there any kind of message in the event viewer system and Application logs? > It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something > within a guest host be doing that would cause that??? That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on the host. Is there some kind of power management software running (something to quite the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host) -- Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine> "ohaya" <ohaya(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:uxsRnjyrGHA.3748(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Bob, > > What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"? > > The way it hangs is really strange. I typically have 3 guests running > when it happens. When I watch Task Manager, there's activity, then all of > a sudden CPU utilization just drops. At that point, all 3 of the guests' > windows are frozen (the VPC console also, if I had it displayed). > Everything "outside" of VPC seems to still work, i.e., I can open up a > browser on the host, etc. > > Then, if I try to close one of the guests' windows by clicking on the "X", > all 3 windows die. > > What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest > hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one), > cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated? > > It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something > within a guest host be doing that would cause that??? > > Jim > > > > Robert Comer wrote: >> I doubt it. >> >> It sounds like either a driver issue, or some other piece of software you >> have on your PC is interfering with VPC somehow. (any shell enhancement >> software running?) >>
From: ohaya on 24 Jul 2006 19:12 Bob, Comments below, interspersed.... Thanks for 'hanging in there' with this one... Robert Comer wrote: >> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"? > > Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer. Then, no, I don't have any shell enhancement software... > >> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest >> hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one), >> cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be isolated? > > Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense that when > the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. Virtual Server > wouldn't act the same. > > Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why it does > what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. Is there any > kind of message in the event viewer system and Application logs? I *am* seeing the following under Application Logn (these events seem to come in pairs, and the offset shown in the 2nd event is the same as in the popup when I get the "Unexpected" error): Event Type: Error Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 Event Category: None Event ID: 1001 Date: 7/24/2006 Time: 4:49:44 AM User: N/A Computer: TESTWIN2K Description: The description for Event ID ( 1001 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. The following information is part of the event: 143763969. Data: 0000: 42 75 63 6b 65 74 3a 20 Bucket: 0008: 31 34 33 37 36 33 39 36 14376396 0010: 39 0d 0a 9.. Event Type: Error Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 Event Category: None Event ID: 1000 Date: 7/24/2006 Time: 4:49:06 AM User: N/A Computer: TESTWIN2K Description: The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. The following information is part of the event: virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, 0005ba8b. Data: 0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat 0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail 0010: 75 72 65 20 20 76 69 72 ure vir 0018: 74 75 61 6c 20 70 63 2e tual pc. 0020: 65 78 65 20 35 2e 33 2e exe 5.3. 0028: 35 38 32 2e 32 37 20 69 582.27 i 0030: 6e 20 76 69 72 74 75 61 n virtua 0038: 6c 20 70 63 2e 65 78 65 l pc.exe 0040: 20 35 2e 33 2e 35 38 32 5.3.582 0048: 2e 32 37 20 61 74 20 6f .27 at o 0050: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00 0058: 30 35 62 61 38 62 0d 0a 05ba8b.. > >> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something >> within a guest host be doing that would cause that??? > > That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its > something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on the > host. > > Is there some kind of power management software running (something to quite > the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host) I have AMD Powernow in the "Services", but I set that to not start since yesterday, and the problems still have been occurring since then... Jim
From: ohaya on 24 Jul 2006 19:20 Hi, You mentioned Virtual Server. Are you saying that I would not have these problems if I switched to VS? I might be able to do that, but what do I need as the host? I think I have a VS 2005 R2 DVD, and this machine is pretty much dedicated to my testing, so I think I might be able to switch to a different OS if it would eliminate the problems! Jim ohaya wrote: > Bob, > > Comments below, interspersed.... > > Thanks for 'hanging in there' with this one... > > > Robert Comer wrote: >>> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"? >> >> Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer. > > Then, no, I don't have any shell enhancement software... > > > >> >>> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" >>> guest hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there >>> is one), cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose >>> to be isolated? >> >> Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense >> that when the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. >> Virtual Server wouldn't act the same. >> >> Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why >> it does what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. >> Is there any kind of message in the event viewer system and >> Application logs? > > > I *am* seeing the following under Application Logn (these events seem to > come in pairs, and the offset shown in the 2nd event is the same as in > the popup when I get the "Unexpected" error): > > Event Type: Error > Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 > Event Category: None > Event ID: 1001 > Date: 7/24/2006 > Time: 4:49:44 AM > User: N/A > Computer: TESTWIN2K > Description: > The description for Event ID ( 1001 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC > 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary > registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a > remote computer. The following information is part of the event: 143763969. > Data: > 0000: 42 75 63 6b 65 74 3a 20 Bucket: > 0008: 31 34 33 37 36 33 39 36 14376396 > 0010: 39 0d 0a 9.. > > Event Type: Error > Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 > Event Category: None > Event ID: 1000 > Date: 7/24/2006 > Time: 4:49:06 AM > User: N/A > Computer: TESTWIN2K > Description: > The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC > 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary > registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a > remote computer. The following information is part of the event: virtual > pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, 0005ba8b. > Data: > 0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat > 0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail > 0010: 75 72 65 20 20 76 69 72 ure vir > 0018: 74 75 61 6c 20 70 63 2e tual pc. > 0020: 65 78 65 20 35 2e 33 2e exe 5.3. > 0028: 35 38 32 2e 32 37 20 69 582.27 i > 0030: 6e 20 76 69 72 74 75 61 n virtua > 0038: 6c 20 70 63 2e 65 78 65 l pc.exe > 0040: 20 35 2e 33 2e 35 38 32 5.3.582 > 0048: 2e 32 37 20 61 74 20 6f .27 at o > 0050: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00 > 0058: 30 35 62 61 38 62 0d 0a 05ba8b.. > > > > > > >> >>> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something >>> within a guest host be doing that would cause that??? >> >> That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its >> something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on >> the host. >> >> Is there some kind of power management software running (something to >> quite the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host) > > I have AMD Powernow in the "Services", but I set that to not start since > yesterday, and the problems still have been occurring since then... > > Jim >
From: Robert Comer on 24 Jul 2006 20:46
> You mentioned Virtual Server. Are you saying that I would not have these > problems if I switched to VS? Maybe, maybe not, no way to say, there are a few things updated in Virtual Server R2 that might make a difference. it all depends on what is causing the problem in the first place. >I might be able to do that, but what do I need as the host? You would need IIS, but I don't think Win2000 is a supported host. I don't know if it will even install. > I think I have a VS 2005 R2 DVD, and this machine is pretty much dedicated > to my testing, so I think I might be able to switch to a different OS if > it would eliminate the problems! That might be the best. -- Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine> "ohaya" <ohaya(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:uiEMmd3rGHA.4004(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > You mentioned Virtual Server. Are you saying that I would not have these > problems if I switched to VS? I might be able to do that, but what do I > need as the host? I think I have a VS 2005 R2 DVD, and this machine is > pretty much dedicated to my testing, so I think I might be able to switch > to a different OS if it would eliminate the problems! > > Jim > > > ohaya wrote: >> Bob, >> >> Comments below, interspersed.... >> >> Thanks for 'hanging in there' with this one... >> >> >> Robert Comer wrote: >>>> What do you mean by "shell enhancement software"? >>> >>> Something that changes the appearance/functionality of windows explorer. >> >> Then, no, I don't have any shell enhancement software... >> >> >> >>> >>>> What I don't understand is that these are suppose to be "VIRTUAL" guest >>>> hosts, right? Why would a problem in one guest host (if there is one), >>>> cause ALL of the guest hosts to hang? Aren't they suppose to be >>>> isolated? >>> >>> Virtual PC is pretty much a single threaded app, so it makes sense that >>> when the main thread in Virtual PC dies, everything dies. Virtual >>> Server wouldn't act the same. >>> >>> Something is blocking the main VPC thread on your PC, and that's why it >>> does what it does, unfortunately I don't know what that might be. Is >>> there any kind of message in the event viewer system and Application >>> logs? >> >> >> I *am* seeing the following under Application Logn (these events seem to >> come in pairs, and the offset shown in the 2nd event is the same as in >> the popup when I get the "Unexpected" error): >> >> Event Type: Error >> Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 >> Event Category: None >> Event ID: 1001 >> Date: 7/24/2006 >> Time: 4:49:44 AM >> User: N/A >> Computer: TESTWIN2K >> Description: >> The description for Event ID ( 1001 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC >> 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary >> registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a >> remote computer. The following information is part of the event: >> 143763969. >> Data: >> 0000: 42 75 63 6b 65 74 3a 20 Bucket: >> 0008: 31 34 33 37 36 33 39 36 14376396 >> 0010: 39 0d 0a 9.. >> >> Event Type: Error >> Event Source: Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 >> Event Category: None >> Event ID: 1000 >> Date: 7/24/2006 >> Time: 4:49:06 AM >> User: N/A >> Computer: TESTWIN2K >> Description: >> The description for Event ID ( 1000 ) in Source ( Microsoft Virtual PC >> 2004 ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary >> registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a >> remote computer. The following information is part of the event: virtual >> pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, virtual pc.exe, 5.3.582.27, 0005ba8b. >> Data: >> 0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat >> 0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail >> 0010: 75 72 65 20 20 76 69 72 ure vir >> 0018: 74 75 61 6c 20 70 63 2e tual pc. >> 0020: 65 78 65 20 35 2e 33 2e exe 5.3. >> 0028: 35 38 32 2e 32 37 20 69 582.27 i >> 0030: 6e 20 76 69 72 74 75 61 n virtua >> 0038: 6c 20 70 63 2e 65 78 65 l pc.exe >> 0040: 20 35 2e 33 2e 35 38 32 5.3.582 >> 0048: 2e 32 37 20 61 74 20 6f .27 at o >> 0050: 66 66 73 65 74 20 30 30 ffset 00 >> 0058: 30 35 62 61 38 62 0d 0a 05ba8b.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>> It seems move like VPC *itself* is hanging, but what could something >>>> within a guest host be doing that would cause that??? >>> >>> That's exactly what it sounds like to me too, but I kind of doubt its >>> something in a guest that's doing it, it sounds like something else on >>> the host. >>> >>> Is there some kind of power management software running (something to >>> quite the fans or throttle back the CPU? (on the host) >> >> I have AMD Powernow in the "Services", but I set that to not start since >> yesterday, and the problems still have been occurring since then... >> >> Jim >> |