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From: Giovanni Dicanio on 5 Mar 2010 06:31 "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:o0c0p59r0t547hpi5ts8ki8kg4hqd7n1ov(a)4ax.com... > OTOH, we get modern C++ I think that for "moderated" C++, the previous versions of VC are OK. Moreover, VC8 (VS2005) and VC9 (VS2008) can also compile Boost (which is advanced C++ with templates etc.). Intstead, for lambdas, move semantics, and other C++0x features, yes VS2010 is a must. >, the Parallel Patterns Library, Yes, this is an important improvement. > I've been using it for a couple weeks now, and while I've found some bugs > (and have no > idea how to report them!) they are bugs-of-annoyance and > bugs-of-stupid-selection-of-defaults and > bugs-of-design-we've-been-complaining-about-for-a-decade. But I've not > hit any *real* > bugs. As already written, you can use Connect: https://connect.microsoft.com/ I reported few bugs as well: https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/534464/bug-in-atl-com-end-preprocessor-macro-defined-in-atldef-h https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/534458/visual-studio-mfc-wizard-does-not-create-proper-wrapper-classes-to-activexs https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/534461/aliased-text-appears-on-the-left-side-of-mfc-app-wizard https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/491786/mfc-chtmlview-getsource-bugs Giovanni
From: Giovanni Dicanio on 5 Mar 2010 06:33 "Sheng Jiang [MVP]" <sheng_jiang(a)hotmail.com.discuss> ha scritto nel messaggio news:uNHJtp#uKHA.4220(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > but I've heard WPF causes performance problems when using it. My experience is that VS2010 RC runs OK on a decent machine (a simple DX9-capable graphics card, Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.33 GHz and 3 GB of RAM with Windows 7 64-bit). Giovanni
From: Bo Persson on 5 Mar 2010 11:46 Ajay Kalra wrote: > On Mar 4, 4:36 pm, "David Ching" <d...(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> > wrote: >> "BobF" <notha...(a)no.spam> wrote in message >> >> news:u$1Y8H#uKHA.5340(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >>> No MFC/resource editor with express. >> >> Neither IDE plug-in support. >> >> -- David > > My point was people who care about low price point would first look > at the express edition. Most of the other core users would upgrade > regardless of few hundred $$ differential. Sure, I will certainly upgrade. Just wanted to tell the OP that "VS 2010 is cheaper" is a bad subject line, when the upgrade is $100 more than last time. The trick of initially saying $1500 - booh, too much - ok you get it for $299, didn't impress me. :-) > > For some reason I recall VC6 was lower than the price that you > mentioned for VS2010. That was probably for C++ only. Nowadays we have to buy the whole package. Bo Persson
From: Bo Persson on 5 Mar 2010 11:55 Cmplx80 wrote: > Ajay Kalra wrote: >> On Mar 4, 1:45 pm, "David Ching" <d...(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> >> wrote: >>> A while ago, we were bemoaning the loss of VS 2010 Standard, and >>> the price of VS 2008 Professional (presumably with a free upgrade >>> to 2010) >>> was something like $1500 USD. >>> >>> Now there are new VS 2010 >>> prices.http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Offers-Dea... >>> >>> Basically if you have VS 2005/2008 Standard, you can get VS2010 >>> Standard for $299. And even if you are totally new to VS, you >>> can get VS2010 Professional for $799 and upgrade for $549. And >>> Professional now >>> comes with MSDN Essentials. So the prices are much cheaper than >>> we had been >>> led to believe. >> >> Comments about the product in this NG havent been that glorifying >> though. I >> >> -- >> Ajay >> >> >> > Biggest (VS2010 RC) complaint here is that the documentation/help > system has been rendered 100% useless by moving it from an > integrated function to a goofy and magnanimously dysfunctional > browser-based scheme. No index, no filters (that I can find), new > browser page tabs becoming lost in a sea of other browser page > tabs, missing pieces, dot, dot, dot. How does this happen? Who is > responsible for letting stuff like this hit the shipping dock? > Fortunately Google has indexed the pages, so - just like before - you can find the MSDN pages much faster than the local help info. Bo Persson
From: David Ching on 5 Mar 2010 14:09
"Bo Persson" <bop(a)gmb.dk> wrote in message news:7vcqr0FtmoU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Sure, I will certainly upgrade. Just wanted to tell the OP that "VS 2010 > is cheaper" is a bad subject line, when the upgrade is $100 more than last > time. > > The trick of initially saying $1500 - booh, too much - ok you get it for > $299, didn't impress me. :-) > For Standard users, I agree that the scheme to 1) Make it a requirement to be a previous owner in order to even purchase VS2010 Standard, and 2) Charging full price for what is essentially an upgrade from a previous version, is not a good deal. What is a good deal is: 1) A Standard version is offered at all; 2) the Pro was reduced to $799, far cheaper than it's ever been that I can recall. -- David |