From: gabydewilde on
On Sep 9, 5:29 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> which is energy, which is conserved.
>

Earth is the center of the universe! Heavier than air flying apparatus
are impossible! When will you grow up and stop asserting bullshit? God
is the almighty creator! Hallelujah!!

Your imaginary energy construct is really something that doesn't
exist. Then you also want to pretend it is conversated. What bullcrap!
ROFL!

The pretend game ends here. Prove the assertions, put up or shut up.

Don't let your feelings of inferiority, your fear of the unknown and
your child hood problems stand in the way.

We all know you have a personality disorder, you have problems with
logic and you don't know which side is up.

Everyone agrees your brain is a stool.

Science like that - eh?

From: gabydewilde on
On Sep 9, 5:27 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >Fer sure. And we'll send the CIA around to gather it and you up for
> >"testing".
>
> Cool. I've always wanted to ride in a black helicopter.
>

You will be tested and tried out on location.



From: gabydewilde on
On Sep 9, 10:05 pm, Rich the Philosophizer
<philosobphi...(a)example.net> wrote:
>
> I first heard of Bearden and his "zero point generator" decades ago.
>
> In fact, the concept is so popular, it's used on Stargate Atlantis.
>
> But if it's possible, howcome he hasn't demonstrated anything?
>

Perhaps you need to look a bit more before making conclusions?

Just a thought.
From: John Larkin on
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT), gabydewilde
<gdewilde(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 9, 5:29�pm, John Larkin
><jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>> which is energy, which is conserved.
>>
>
>Earth is the center of the universe! Heavier than air flying apparatus
>are impossible! When will you grow up and stop asserting bullshit? God
>is the almighty creator! Hallelujah!!
>
>Your imaginary energy construct is really something that doesn't
>exist. Then you also want to pretend it is conversated. What bullcrap!
>ROFL!
>
>The pretend game ends here. Prove the assertions, put up or shut up.

COE is one of the axioms of physics. It's been tested millions of ways
to all the measurement resolution available, and there have been no
counter-cases. Some versions of string theory claim to prove it from
more fundamental axioms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

All it would take is one counter-case, one zero-point machine that
actually works, to break the axiom. Go for it.

Have you taken any serious physics courses? Are you in high school
yet?

John


From: gabydewilde on
On Sep 9, 11:34 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> All it would take is one counter-case.

No you prefer the horse behind the carriage. You want to argue you
don't have to look at anything because of your assumption. This
applies to all previous non investigations.

Your beloved theorem has been an erroneous assumption from day one.
The millions of proofs you assert actually do not exist. They cant
exist because closed systems do not exists.

If you would respect the theorem you would apply it properly: The
theorem merely suggests you should be looking for the source of the
energy. It doesn't contain any excuse to be ignorant. Ignorance does
not make proof. Truth by omission is not truth at all.

On wikipedia Extremist and fringe sources we read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Extremist_and_fringe_sources
"Organizations and individuals that express views that are widely
acknowledged by reliable sources as fringe, pseudo-academic, or
extremist may only be used as sources of information about those
organisations or individuals.

An individual extremist or fringe source may be entirely excluded.
Fringe and extremist sources must not be used to obscure or describe
the mainstream view, nor used to indicate a fringe theory's level of
acceptance."

* Here we keenly observe non mainstream views equated with extremism.

* Here we keenly observe character assassination before investigation
is the mainstream method.

* Here we keenly observe how ignoring the evidence is evidence of
ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_point_energy
"In physics, the zero-point energy is the lowest possible energy that
a quantum mechanical physical system may have and is the energy of the
ground state."

* Here we keenly observe Energy asserted to be "the ground state"[sic]

* We furthermore observe how your free energy gestapo deletes all
references it doesn't like using the Nazi rhetoric described above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zero-point_energy&oldid=303621228#Proposed_Free_Energy_Devices
"A German scientist has claimed to of successfully harnessed a small
part of the zero-point electromagnetic vacuum fluctuations from space
to mechanically propel a rotor, surmounting bearing friction. QED
theory as well as successful experiments (tested in high-partial
vacuum conditions inside a vacuum chamber to exclude ion wind
thrusting) are mentioned in many publications.[9] The operating
principle of the device can be partially explained by the Casimir
force in connection to the scientist's theory that zero-point
fluctuations from space can be influenced by electric and magnetic
fields in the same manner normal electromagnetic waves can."

* Here we keenly observe how observable facts enjoying many citations
and theoretical explainations can still be referred to as "A CLAIM"

The sources provided:
http://philica.com/advancedsearch.php?author=223

You don't have to question reliability because by your logic this is
terrorism.

Verification and Conversion of the Energy of the Zero-point
Oscillations of the Vacuum
http://public.rz.fh-wolfenbuettel.de/~turtur/physik/

Definite Proof for the Conversion of vacuum-energy into mechanical
energy based on the Measurement of Machine Power
http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=155

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"All it would take is one counter-case" - John Larkin

ta-ta

Total score:

John Larking: No score, disqualified
Gaby de Wilde: Good points, strong arguments. Extra points for style
and truthery

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