WIN 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?
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From: Trimble Bracegirdle on 20 Feb 2010 22:07 WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ? I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive) as my established Win XP . A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my existing Hardware. The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks ....Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ... is all OK. BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ... THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :( a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB GRAPHIC TABLET .. In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick) The drivers & application appeara to install all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding . The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used. Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2 way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them turning those lights on fully when its Run. There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ??? I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine, & these Devices were all OK. there. There all some years old & do not have Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???) The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!! & I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work. *(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful complexity !)* But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on. The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista & not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular thought. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)
From: Trimble Bracegirdle on 20 Feb 2010 23:39 Yes . Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not. All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of production. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") mouse
From: Char Jackson on 21 Feb 2010 01:20 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:07:45 -0000, "Trimble Bracegirdle" <no-spam(a)never.spam> wrote: >WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ? > >I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive) >as my established Win XP . > >A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my >existing Hardware. > >I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ... >THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :( > > a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB >GRAPHIC TABLET .. If the modem has an Ethernet port, switch to that and don't look back. It'll cost you the price of an Ethernet cable.
From: Paul on 21 Feb 2010 02:39 Trimble Bracegirdle wrote: > WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ? > > I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive) > as my established Win XP . > > A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my > existing Hardware. > > The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks > ...Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ... > is all OK. > > BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ... > THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :( > > a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB > GRAPHIC TABLET .. > > In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick) > The drivers & application appeara to install > all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding . > > The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used. > > Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2 > way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them > turning those lights on fully when its Run. > > There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ??? > > I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine, > & these Devices were all OK. there. > There all some years old & do not have > Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???) > > The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY > comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!! > & I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work. > > *(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi > computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful > complexity !)* > > But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out > more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on. > > The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista > & not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular > thought. > (\__/) > (='.'=) > (")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy) > To start with, are the same number of USB entries in Device Manager in Win7, as in WinXP ? There should be, as both Win7 and WinXP would have built-in support for the USB logic blocks in your chipset. If the USB section is missing, or if there are fewer entries than there should be, then the built-in drivers haven't installed for some reason. On my existing computer, I did have one occasion where an entry was missing, I had the exclamation mark, and I had to ask the OS to install a driver from its built-in collection and that worked. On top of that, USB uses standard classes. The USB.org site, lists all the standard classes of devices defined for USB. If a manufacturer uses the standard register definitions and config info shown in these specs, it improves the odds of the devices working with no additional drivers. http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs Some of the Windows built-in support, is shown in tables here. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/connect/usb/usbfaq_intro.mspx For example, take the Mass storage class (MSC) using Usbstor.sys . When you plug in a USB flash stick, that driver helps it work. If you plug in a USB enclosure with a hard drive inside, that one might be involved as well. I don't have to add any drivers, if I use my USB flash sticks. Those are examples of things supported "out-of-the-box". Your ADSL modem may "light up", as the USB stack may establish end-point connections to the device. But then, Windows may stop, because the device doesn't meet any of the standards-defined items that Windows supports. In which case, you'd need a driver from Sagem, to make the ADSL modem work. If the ADSL modem followed some defined standard, then maybe this experiment would have had a different outcome. I would have expected the USB scanner to be picked up by something like WIA (Windows Image Acquisition), but perhaps if the thing is old enough, it doesn't follow any standards either. Paul
From: Darklight on 21 Feb 2010 04:53
Trimble Bracegirdle wrote: > Yes . > Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not. > All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of > production. > (\__/) > (='.'=) > (")_(") mouse you could always try virtualbox which you can install in win7 as a stop gap for the hardware that you can't use in win7. it is free. |