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From: Bret Cahill on 9 Mar 2010 23:57
A few years ago I was looking at a minivan with defective ABS and I
turned to an astute ex used car dealer and said incredulously,
"there's no way a big auto company would design a car without any back
up brake system . . ."

The astute ex used car dealer didn't say a word.


Bret Cahill




From: John Fields on 10 Mar 2010 06:24
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:57:29 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<Bret_E_Cahill(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>A few years ago I was looking at a minivan with defective ABS and I
>turned to an astute ex used car dealer and said incredulously,
>"there's no way a big auto company would design a car without any back
>up brake system . . ."
>
>The astute ex used car dealer didn't say a word.

---
Which has _what_ to do with basic electronics?

JF
From: John Tserkezis on 10 Mar 2010 07:27
On 10/03/2010 10:24 PM, John Fields wrote:

>> A few years ago I was looking at a minivan with defective ABS and I
>> turned to an astute ex used car dealer and said incredulously,
>> "there's no way a big auto company would design a car without any back
>> up brake system . . ."
>> The astute ex used car dealer didn't say a word.

> Which has _what_ to do with basic electronics?

Said big auto company was only good at *basic* electronics, explaining
the incompetence at a braking system one would presume to require
advanced electronics?
From: John Larkin on 10 Mar 2010 11:11
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:24:59 -0600, John Fields
<jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:57:29 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
><Bret_E_Cahill(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>A few years ago I was looking at a minivan with defective ABS and I
>>turned to an astute ex used car dealer and said incredulously,
>>"there's no way a big auto company would design a car without any back
>>up brake system . . ."
>>
>>The astute ex used car dealer didn't say a word.
>
>---
>Which has _what_ to do with basic electronics?
>
>JF

He's a law clerk or something, doing his best.

John

From: Bob Eld on 10 Mar 2010 12:09

"Bret Cahill" <Bret_E_Cahill(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b3fd7078-e8b8-4f1f-b7ff-d7da0a141a31(a)k6g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> A few years ago I was looking at a minivan with defective ABS and I
> turned to an astute ex used car dealer and said incredulously,
> "there's no way a big auto company would design a car without any back
> up brake system . . ."
>
> The astute ex used car dealer didn't say a word.
>
>
> Bret Cahill


To me it has the ear marks of a in fuel-accelerator computer system problem.
It's as though the processor goes into la-la land for no apparent reason
into a full, max on failure mode. When the techs look at it, they can't
replicate the problem. The processor never does it again, at least while
anyone is looking. We've never seen software do that have we? No!

But the real problem is Toyota's secrecy, not allowing any third party to
examine their documentation even to the point of defying court orders. They
have blown smoke up each other's butts with attempted fixes, floor mats and
accelerator mechanical fixes but likely to no avail. Failures keep coming
and Toyota believes their own propaganda. It's time for an independent,
third party look into the problems including Toyota's engineering and
documentation without a connection to Toyota but with full openness on their
part. Otherwise, maybe we should forbid them from selling in the US until
they are more open.

The San Diego Prius should be impounded by the TSA and examined by them just
as an airplane would be. Toyota's techs should be kept away from it except
under TSA supervision. Like before, they aren't likely to find anything
wrong or make up something silly like floor mats, drivers big feet or
something equally ridiculous. No more Toyota excuses and secrecy.


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