What are space and time? [Logic]

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From: kado on 10 Jul 2010 06:12

On Jul 8, 8:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >What are space and time?
> >> What sort of things are they if they are things?
>
> >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man
> >made mind dependent concept.
>
> Hogwash.
>
> --
> "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
> truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
> -- Thomas Jefferson

How right you are.

I have seen this subject of time and space, or sometimes
just time, or other times just space come and just sort
of fade away countless times on this newsgroup in the last
20 or so years.

A lot of very brilliant people, much smarter than any
contributing to this newsgroup have tried to understand
time and space for a very long time without success.

So it should be obvious that no one, no philosopher,
scientist, lay thinker, or whoever understands time or
space.

So it can safely be said that mainline science does not
understand time or space. Period!

D. Y. Kadoshima

From: Michael Gordge on 10 Jul 2010 06:51

On Jul 10, 7:12 pm, "k...(a)nventure.com" <k...(a)nventure.com> wrote:

> So it can safely be said that mainline science does not
> understand time or space. Period!

What is it about time that you do not understand?

MG

From: Michael Gordge on 10 Jul 2010 07:05

On Jul 9, 10:04 pm, Errol <vs.er...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 2:36 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 12:51 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > > >On Jul 8, 11:40 am, Immortalist <reanimater_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >What are space and time?
> > > >> What sort of things are they if they are things?
>
> > > >Space is matter, it exists regardless of man's mind, time is a man
> > > >made mind dependent concept.
>
> > > Hogwash.
>
> > How much were ewe paid to say that?
>
> > MG
>
> And the tax he paid on that gratuity is all being spent by guvvmint
> MIB holding a gun to his head while they concoct Global warming
> conspiracies, I suppose?

Hey fuckwit, why are ewe calling AGW a conspiracy when its just a
hoax, no different in principle or in origin to the god hoax, both
fictions began inside a person's head.

MG

From: kado on 11 Jul 2010 03:54

On Jul 10, 3:51 am, Michael Gordge <mikegor...(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 7:12 pm, "k...(a)nventure.com" <k...(a)nventure.com> wrote:
>
> > So it can safely be said that mainline science does not
> > understand time or space. Period!
>
> What is it about time that you do not understand?
>
> MG

There are many that are smart, and many that are not.
There are fewer that are very smart and only a very few
that are exceptionally smart -

and some of these exceptionally smart state that they
do not understand time and/or space.

Then there are those that are so dumb that they
think they are smart -
and do understand time.

D.Y.K.

From: Zerkon on 11 Jul 2010 05:58

On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:40:44 -0700, Immortalist wrote:

> What sort of things are they if they are things?
>
> One natural answer is that they comprise continua, three-dimensional in
> the case of space, one-dimensional in the case of time; that is to say
> that they consist of continuous manifolds, positions in which can be
> occupied by substances and events respectively, and which have an
> existence in their own right.
>
> It is in virtue of the occupancy of such positions that events and
> processes are to be seen as taking place after each other and substances
> are to be seen in certain spatial relations.
>
> Or do space and time have properties of their own independent of the
> objects and events that they contain?
>
> Did Einstein show, through his theory of relativity, that since space
> and time can change in shape and duration that space and time are more
> complex than just sustained perceptual constants?
>
> Metaphysics - by D. W. Hamlyn
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0521286905/

There are two 'things' here. The first is change, the second is the
application of numbers to change or time. Einstein showed numbers.
Time being change by digits, the more direct question is what is change?

I think future generations, if coping drug free, are going to put numbers
in a more realistic perspective. We have gone ga-ga over them since the
late 1800's and have assumed way too much with them.

Anyway imo now, the property of change is potential, it's state is non-
duration. Space is an arbitrary assignment relative to specific objects,
objects big and small that are still being discovered with each new scope.