What is a better program to replace Apple Mac OS X 10.5.7's iPhoto?
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From: Steve Hix on 18 Dec 2009 13:16 In article <1jaxjdc.182h3ll1q13mynN%thewildrover(a)me.com>, thewildrover(a)me.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote: > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > In article <michelle-751E3B.08231018122009(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > > Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > > > > But how does iPhoto not support raw? > > > > because iphoto makes a default conversion to jpeg and all the > > adjustments are then done on the jpeg, not on the raw. > > That's not actually correct. > > It applies adjustments to the Raw image, Even better, it builds a list of operations to be done to create an output file based on the RAW image; the RAW file itself is never touched. > and creates a JPG preview based > on that. Each time you re-edit, it will make a new JPG preview image.
From: isw on 18 Dec 2009 13:18 In article <181220090100032591%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <isw-88C30B.21533317122009@[216.168.3.50]>, isw > <isw(a)witzend.com> wrote: > > > The real annoyance I have with iPhoto's editing is that there's no way > > to tell it that you *want* to overwrite the original file with the new > > version. > > why would you ever want to do that? the original file should be > considered to be a digital negative, never to be modified, ever. Because I do not choose to view them that way. My "originals" are off on a DVD somewhere, untouchable by iPhoto. > since it tracks the changes, you always have the latest version. > > non-destructive editing is a feature. A feature which causes you to lose control of where your images really are, and which causes your image library to grow in size every time you make an edit. But worst of all, if at some time in the future you do not have access to iPhoto but you do have your photo library, there's simply no way to know which files exist as edited versions, short of poking around inside iPhoto's library, in the "Modified" folder. My way, the latest version is always right where I put it. > > Doing it the "Apple" way will cause iPhoto to slowly but surely > > take away the structure of folders you so carefully created to hold your > > images, because it stores the altered versions internally. > > the 'apple' way is a very good way, and one which many other companies > use, including adobe. Which does not oblige me also to think it is a "good way". > > There is a pretty easy way around that, but it's annoying to have to do > > it. > > why bother? Because I do not like to lose control of where my edited images are. Which is mostly the reason I set iPhoto up to leave my images where I put them in the first place. I want to know where they are at all times. Isaac
From: nospam on 18 Dec 2009 13:18 In article <michelle-DCA8CC.10541718122009(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > > So you set the external app to Lightroom or Aperture. > > > > that won't work. > > Why? because the way round-tripping to an external editor works is by creating a intermediate file which the external editor modifies and the changes are then saved back to the file. the originating application then tracks that new file. lightroom and aperture don't 'save' a file the way that photoshop or other image editor does. they're a combination asset management, image editor and webpage/print/book/etc. creation utility. the original image is not modified, and it creates jpegs, tiffs, etc, based on various settings. you can't just give it an file and get back a result saved to that same file.
From: nospam on 18 Dec 2009 13:19 In article <1jaxly9.1sitfwy2x1h5nN%thewildrover(a)me.com>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote: > From the iPhoto manual: > > "When you reopen your edited photo to view or do more work, iPhoto then > reapplies those edits to the original version. You see where you left > off, so you can make incremental changes from there." that doesn't say anything about raw. what iphoto does is make a jpeg when you import. however, there does seem to be conflicting information whether the *first* edit is on the raw or on the converted jpeg. if you ever make a change, it's on the jpeg. > > with lightroom or aperture, you are *always* working from the raw. the > > only time you have a jpeg (or other format) is when you export to > > another app, email, make a book or web page, etc. > > Not completely. Aperture also creates a JPG Preview image, which is also > recreated if you make any changes to the edits. You can of course turn > off Previews in Aperture, it will then apply the edits real-time to the > original, but that can slow things up, and may not necessarily result in > a better image on screen. aperture and lightroom are *always* working off the raw. the jpeg preview is *only* for speed on screen. any adjustments made will update the change list that is applied to the raw and the preview will be regenerated. when you actually want to do something with an image, such as print, email, make a book, etc., the image is exported after applying all adjustments for that particular image.
From: isw on 18 Dec 2009 13:19
In article <181220090056058338%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <isw-0E4509.21500417122009@[216.168.3.50]>, isw > <isw(a)witzend.com> wrote: > > > > > iPhoto is really is quite good at doing those basic things, IMO. > > > > > > Just don't try to do any real editing with it! > > > > There is an easy option to tell it "Use an external editor"; then you > > can do "real" editing whenever you want. > > even with an external app, editing in iphoto is more limited as > compared with something like aperture or lightroom, particularly with > raw. > > > I used to use Photoshop, but > > that broke when I moved to Leopard; now I use GIMP. > > photoshop did not break in leopard, except perhaps if it was a very old > version. Version 7; and it most certainly broke. Old or not, it's what I had, and it did everything I wanted to do. Isaac |