What is a better program to replace Apple Mac OS X 10.5.7's iPhoto?
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From: Andy Hewitt on 18 Dec 2009 16:03 nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <1jaxq8v.nfwez518kiw5cN%thewildrover(a)me.com>, Andy Hewitt > <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote: > > > > > From the iPhoto manual: > > > > > > > > "When you reopen your edited photo to view or do more work, iPhoto then > > > > reapplies those edits to the original version. You see where you left > > > > off, so you can make incremental changes from there." > > > > > > that doesn't say anything about raw. what iphoto does is make a jpeg > > > when you import. however, there does seem to be conflicting information > > > whether the *first* edit is on the raw or on the converted jpeg. if you > > > ever make a change, it's on the jpeg. > > > > Have you got any references for that? > > this is about iphoto 5, but the modification date is april 2009. i > can't find anything for anything more recent. > > <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2297#one> > > The first time you edit a RAW image in the main iPhoto window, the > RAW badge appears at the bottom of the window. It looks like this: > > When the badge appears, iPhoto is using your image's original RAW > data to support your edits. After you click Done, your changes are > applied to the RAW image data and stored as a JPEG file (the original > RAW file remains unchanged). That's how iPhoto simplifies the RAW > workflow—it combines RAW editing and JPEG conversion into one step. > > but a few lines later, it contradicts that by saying: > > That's why iPhoto makes a JPEG copy of your RAW image at the time of > import. Yes, that's because you're looking at seriously out of date information - 3 versions in fact! I'm reading it from iPhoto v8.1.1, and it does its editing in a very different way to the one you're looking at. On older versions of iPhoto, you are correct, all photos were imported, and as soon as you click the edit button, a JPG copy was made, to which you applied the edits - this was regardless of the original image format, whether it be Raw, JPG or TIFF etc. In the current version, and with the version from iLife '08, it does not do that. On the first edit it does not create the JPG copy immediately, instead it applies non-destructive edits to the image displayed, and then creates the JPG Preview image once you exit the image (either by the 'Done' button, or moving onto the next image). When you re-edit an image, you can either incrementally apply new adjustments, or you can scratch them and reload the original, after which a new JPG Preview is created. In all cases though, the original (or master) image is never directly edited. Indeed, no software can directly edit a Raw file anyway, they *all* have to convert it to a standard format at some point. -- Andy Hewitt <http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>
From: nospam on 18 Dec 2009 16:03 In article <siegman-30803F.12472818122009(a)news.stanford.edu>, AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > > I have a feeling that Apple did not view individuals who spend a lot of > > their time looking through libraries *or* library catalogs as their main > > target for iPhoto. > Absolutely agree with that. That's the sad part of the situation, for > iPhoto and iTunes. Sad when a company that once developed superb > hardware and software for people who read, and know what a library is, > now perceive their primary customer base to be people who don't. i'm fairly sure that the vast majority of apple's customer base can read. also, iphoto, aperture and lightroom *are* designed for people who spend a lot of time looking at images. they make the task *much* easier than dealing with folders and files. > (Not to mention that a primary design criterion for some of that > software becomes the enforcement of DRM.) > > Anyone on this group old enough to remember when Steve Jobs, as chairman > of Apple Computer, recruited John Sculley from Pepsi to Apple, reputedly > by asking him: > > "Do you want a chance to change the world? -- or do you want > to spend the rest of your life selling sugared water?" unfortunately, hiring sculley turned out to be a huge mistake.
From: AES on 18 Dec 2009 16:07 In article <181220091341522893%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > > Here's what I do: > > > > IF I edit from within iPhoto, after I'm done, I reach into the > > "Modified" folder in iPhoto's library, get the edited version, and drag > > it to where the original was stored, replacing it. Then I select the > > image from within iPhoto and tell it "Revert to Original" (which is > > actually the edited version). > > wow, that's a lot of work. you do that for every file you modify?? Once you select any cataloged image in an iView MediaPro catalog, there's an obvious little icon in the toolbar with a tool tip "Open <selected image> With...". Clicking on this icon opens a drop down menu that presents a list of all the apps on your Mac that can open that selected file's Type. (You don't have to build this list yourself; it's automatically generated). Once you've finished editing the file and close it, it's auto-saved where it came from; and when you click back into the IVMP catalog (which is still sitting there, right under the editing window you were working in), the catalog thumbnail auto-updates.
From: nospam on 18 Dec 2009 16:10 In article <1jaxtz5.120v2hj15fu11jN%thewildrover(a)me.com>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote: > Yes, that's because you're looking at seriously out of date information > - 3 versions in fact! I'm reading it from iPhoto v8.1.1, and it does its > editing in a very different way to the one you're looking at. well the mod date on that is 8 months ago but i couldn't find a link on more recent versions. the iphoto guide for iphoto '08 doesn't even mention raw (if it does, it doesn't come up in a search of the pdf). if they've fixed it, that's great. > In all cases though, the original (or master) image is never directly > edited. Indeed, no software can directly edit a Raw file anyway, they > *all* have to convert it to a standard format at some point. not entirely true. nikon's software, for instance, can modify metadata contained in the raw file so you can 'edit' the raw and next time you open the raw file, those settings are applied. personally, i prefer to have that data in sidecar files and leave the raw untouched.
From: nospam on 18 Dec 2009 16:14
In article <siegman-324771.13064618122009(a)news.stanford.edu>, AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > > > IF I edit from within iPhoto, after I'm done, I reach into the > > > "Modified" folder in iPhoto's library, get the edited version, and drag > > > it to where the original was stored, replacing it. Then I select the > > > image from within iPhoto and tell it "Revert to Original" (which is > > > actually the edited version). > > > > wow, that's a lot of work. you do that for every file you modify?? > > Once you select any cataloged image in an iView MediaPro catalog, > there's an obvious little icon in the toolbar with a tool tip "Open > <selected image> With...". Clicking on this icon opens a drop down menu > that presents a list of all the apps on your Mac that can open that > selected file's Type. > > (You don't have to build this list yourself; it's automatically > generated). i used to use iview from the very first version until microsoft bought it (and ruined it). i recall that menu was pre-populated, but could also be modified. > Once you've finished editing the file and close it, it's auto-saved > where it came from; and when you click back into the IVMP catalog (which > is still sitting there, right under the editing window you were working > in), the catalog thumbnail auto-updates. and what if you want to undo those changes? maybe make a minor adjustment, say not as warm of a colour balance? |