What is the Aether?
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From: Greg Neill on 12 Jun 2007 07:13 "Double-A" <double-aa(a)hush.ai> wrote in message news:1181625424.554708.50720(a)g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 11, 4:53 am, "Greg Neill" <gneill...(a)OVEsympatico.ca> wrote: > > "Spirit of Truth" <junehar...(a)prodigy.net> wrote in messagenews:D24bi.18061$C96.12346(a)newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... > > > > > > > > > "Greg Neill" <gneill...(a)OVEsympatico.ca> wrote in message > > >news:466cbd78$0$8748$9a6e19ea(a)news.newshosting.com... > > > > So what? The fact of the matter is that only *one* twin > > > > feels the acceleration. It's therefore a symmetry breaker. > > > > > Common, Greg, apply yourself to this! > > > What I can tell you, Greg, is truth. If you are moving towards > > > the mountains at say 20 miles per hour then the mountains are > > > moving towards you at 20 miles per hour and if you press > > > on the accelerator and accelerate at 5 miles per hour the mountains > > > will accelerate towards you at that additional 5 miles per hour. > > > > Oy vey. An accelerometer on the car will measure the > > acceleration engendered by pressing on the gas. A > > similar accelerometer on the mountainside will not > > measure a damned thing (no change). > > > > Since you can't seem to wrap your head around this > > trivial concept, it would be pointless to continue > > conversing. > > > > Have fun. > > > What if it is the massive gravity of the mountains that is causing the > acceleration of the car? The accelerometer in the car would not > measure a thing. True -- free fall. And both mountain and car would accelerate in the center of mass frame. Of course, when the clock in the car and the clock on the mountain are brought together into the same frame for comparison (*splat*) the acceleration will be much more noticeable ;-)
From: Florian on 13 Jun 2007 12:17 Greg Neill <gneillREM(a)OVEsympatico.ca> wrote: > > What prediction? The Earth would be the cause of the flow. > > The Earth is not stationary in space. If space contains an > aether, then the Earth moves through it. In fact, it > accelerates through it (orbital motion). The aether on the > leading face would necessarily be moving faster than the > trailing face. So even if this flow were generally radial > (due to gravity?) then it would be biased due to the motion > of the Earth through it, unless it somehow "knew" when to > speed up or slow down to compensate. That's right. One solution could be that the rate of the ether flow is much faster than the Earth moves through space. But that would be very fast. In this case that is not the rate that would increase by approaching the mass, but the density of the flow? -- Florian "Tout est au mieux dans le meilleur des mondes possibles" Voltaire vs Leibniz (1-0)
From: Greg Neill on 13 Jun 2007 12:59 "Florian" <firstname(a)lastname.net> wrote in message news:1hzgewb.wjvem11b5pp8zN%firstname(a)lastname.net... > Greg Neill <gneillREM(a)OVEsympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > What prediction? The Earth would be the cause of the flow. > > > > The Earth is not stationary in space. If space contains an > > aether, then the Earth moves through it. In fact, it > > accelerates through it (orbital motion). The aether on the > > leading face would necessarily be moving faster than the > > trailing face. So even if this flow were generally radial > > (due to gravity?) then it would be biased due to the motion > > of the Earth through it, unless it somehow "knew" when to > > speed up or slow down to compensate. > > That's right. > One solution could be that the rate of the ether flow is much faster > than the Earth moves through space. But that would be very fast. > In this case that is not the rate that would increase by approaching the > mass, but the density of the flow? Delta-V would be the same regardless of the speed of the 'flow', and would be detectable in MM experiments (which are exquisitely sensitive).
From: Florian on 15 Jun 2007 17:38 Greg Neill <gneillREM(a)OVEsympatico.ca> wrote: > > That's right. > > One solution could be that the rate of the ether flow is much faster > > than the Earth moves through space. But that would be very fast. > > In this case that is not the rate that would increase by approaching the > > mass, but the density of the flow? > > Delta-V would be the same regardless of the speed of the > 'flow', and would be detectable in MM experiments (which > are exquisitely sensitive). Would that be possible to detect a delta-V if the speed of the flow is c? -- Florian "Tout est au mieux dans le meilleur des mondes possibles" Voltaire vs Leibniz (1-0)
From: Greg Neill on 15 Jun 2007 17:53
"Florian" <firstname(a)lastname.net> wrote in message news:1hzo5p9.58544u1sir155N%firstname(a)lastname.net... > Greg Neill <gneillREM(a)OVEsympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > That's right. > > > One solution could be that the rate of the ether flow is much faster > > > than the Earth moves through space. But that would be very fast. > > > In this case that is not the rate that would increase by approaching the > > > mass, but the density of the flow? > > > > Delta-V would be the same regardless of the speed of the > > 'flow', and would be detectable in MM experiments (which > > are exquisitely sensitive). > > Would that be possible to detect a delta-V if the speed of the flow is > c? Do you think that it could be c? |