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From: Paul Donnelly on 7 Jan 2010 22:42 Madhu <enometh(a)meer.net> writes: > Matt quit pretending to engage in an honest interaction. > > * mdj <958f3c1c-12e4-432b-a2f3-989248b45af1(a)a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> : > Wrote on Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:55:13 -0800 (PST): Haven't you guys heard of email?
From: Madhu on 7 Jan 2010 22:58 * Paul Donnelly <87tyux9sa1.fsf(a)plap.localdomain> : Wrote on Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:42:14 -0600: | Madhu <enometh(a)meer.net> writes: | |> Matt quit pretending to engage in an honest interaction. |> |> * mdj <958f3c1c-12e4-432b-a2f3-989248b45af1(a)a15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> : |> Wrote on Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:55:13 -0800 (PST): | | Haven't you guys heard of email? I suspect that would defeat Matt-the-surnameless' psychological needs for a public display of his intelligence/superiority/mocking skills where he emerges victorious after engaging in bickering --- mocking me in private would just not work. -- Madhu
From: Pillsy on 7 Jan 2010 23:08 On Jan 7, 8:28 pm, Ron Garret <rNOSPA...(a)flownet.com> wrote: > In article > <0415c891-5dda-4cd4-8a7d-4f1fa7a12...(a)h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > Pillsy <pillsb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jan 7, 4:48 pm, Ron Garret <rNOSPA...(a)flownet.com> wrote: > > > > In article <87wrzt3akf....(a)cantab.net>, > > > Christophe Rhodes <cs...(a)cantab.net> wrote: > > [...] > > > > This is not representative of the Lisp culture that I think of myself as > > > > a part of. > > > > I'm not saying everyone subscribes to this, but many (I would go so far > > > as to say an overwhelming majority) do. Lisp pedagogy certainly leans > > > heavily in this direction. Is there even one Lisp book out there that > > > doesn't introduce ALists and/or PLists early on and saves CLOS as an > > > "advanced topic"? > > /Practical Common Lisp/ introduces alists and plists the chapter > > before CLOS, and several chapters after hash tables. > No, that's not true. You're right. I'd somehow forgotten that the first project, the CD database, revolved around plists. Still, he does use CLOS and awful lot after he introduces it. [...] > This is not really Peter's fault, by the way. Lisp pedagogy is hobbled > by the fact that Common Lisp has built-in support for particular > implementations of associative maps, but not for abstract associative > maps. This, BTW, is consistent with another point of view that has a > significant constituency within the Lisp community, to wit, that CL is a > language for experts and the fact that it does not cater to beginners is > a feature, not a bug. I'm really not seeing the connection between the two points you're making here. Cheers, Pillsy
From: mdj on 7 Jan 2010 23:45 On Jan 8, 1:38 pm, Madhu <enom...(a)meer.net> wrote: > Since I am the target of your attacks and continued engagement despite > asking you to stop, I have been given more opportunity than I desired to > observe your psychological state. Excuse me, but all I have done here is state my views and my disagreements with yours. This is not an attack. OTOH your behaviour is quite consistent with someone who is attacking; repeating the same insulting remarks over and over again is usually called badgering. > Others could confirm or deny my statements if you provide a last name. You seem to be under the impression my last name isn't Smith. > |> | In fact, almost all of your commentary here can be explained by > |> | this observation. It is also why I (who can think abstractly) can > |> | see the value of Ron's contribution and learn from it, where you > |> | (the concrete thinker) cannot. > |> > |> You (like Ron) suffer from the DunningKruger effect, in addition to > |> being a pathological liar > | > | Where is your evidence of this? > > Why do you ask? As a victim you would not accept ANY evidence anyway. So am I the attacker or the victim? Make up your mind. > It was not for argument with you but for the benefit of the newsgroup > that I drew attention to the fact that your behaviour on this newsgroup > matches the symptoms of Dunning-Kruger. You mean Anosognosia. I could of course match Dunning-Kruger by being an underestimator of my capabilities yet achieve higher than my estimate. If you didn't have a reading comprehension problem you'd have realised this before making yet another gaffe. > | No. You drew your conclusion from the absence of that term from the CL > | standard. I have no need to bicker about the meaning of any words to > | construct my argument. > > But I am not interested in your bickering which you try to pass of as > `argument'. Your statement about `opaque' is meaningless > bullshit. Period. So ignore it then, and your problem will be solved. > |> But this is a technical newsgroup, and there is no room for this > |> bullshit. > | > | Explain the logic underlying that conclusion please. > > It is not a `conclusion'. You are playing your Furious green logic card > again. I provided a model example of a meaningless sentence for the purposes of comparison. It is a contrast. > | It would be simpler to just call me a sadist if that's what you think. > > Why? Calling you a sadist would be a misrepresentation of all that I've > said. You are abusing a public usenet forum. It indicates a mental > health problem Called sadism. > If you did not have a pathological mental health condition, you would > have stopped playing this game 50 posts ago. You are continually abusing me baselessly, for reasons I neither understand nor care about (although I suspect narcissism). I am defending myself and debunking your claims, nothing more. > Maybe your partner Hanne Gudisken could confirm this an and tell us > about any mental conditions you are being treated for, and how she > tolerates a pathological liar with such defects, and confirm your last > name. As I said, I'd be happy to ask her to provide an assessment for you. Alternatively since you have her email address you could ask her yourself. Although the fact that you continually mispell her name after having Googled for it suggests dyslexia. Please answer for the benefit of the group, do you suffer from dyslexia ?
From: Ron Garret on 8 Jan 2010 02:03
In article <3eb878f3-019b-4602-b5e7-b5aef4fdfdb2(a)t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>, Pillsy <pillsbury(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jan 7, 8:28 pm, Ron Garret <rNOSPA...(a)flownet.com> wrote: > > In article > > <0415c891-5dda-4cd4-8a7d-4f1fa7a12...(a)h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pillsy <pillsb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 4:48 pm, Ron Garret <rNOSPA...(a)flownet.com> wrote: > > > > > > In article <87wrzt3akf....(a)cantab.net>, > > > > Christophe Rhodes <cs...(a)cantab.net> wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > This is not representative of the Lisp culture that I think of myself > > > > > as > > > > > a part of. > > > > > > I'm not saying everyone subscribes to this, but many (I would go so far > > > > as to say an overwhelming majority) do. Lisp pedagogy certainly leans > > > > heavily in this direction. Is there even one Lisp book out there that > > > > doesn't introduce ALists and/or PLists early on and saves CLOS as an > > > > "advanced topic"? > > > > /Practical Common Lisp/ introduces alists and plists the chapter > > > before CLOS, and several chapters after hash tables. > > > No, that's not true. > > You're right. I'd somehow forgotten that the first project, the CD > database, revolved around plists. > > Still, he does use CLOS and awful lot after he introduces it. > [...] > > This is not really Peter's fault, by the way. Lisp pedagogy is hobbled > > by the fact that Common Lisp has built-in support for particular > > implementations of associative maps, but not for abstract associative > > maps. This, BTW, is consistent with another point of view that has a > > significant constituency within the Lisp community, to wit, that CL is a > > language for experts and the fact that it does not cater to beginners is > > a feature, not a bug. > > I'm really not seeing the connection between the two points you're > making here. It's not a strong connection. I'm just pointing out how the low-level view of DEFSTRUCT is consistent with a certain aspect of the Lisp culture. rg |