What is the meaning of life for the atheist
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From: Goldy on 8 Aug 2010 12:21 Those who have the time to search for meaning are usually those of us who are extremely wealthy and extremely satisfied with life. Those are the kind of people who have already reached the top in life and now are only left to search for meaning. Now the rest of us who are faced daily with the hardships of life do not have the time or aptitude to search for meaning.
From: Jimbo on 9 Aug 2010 13:06 On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > The question > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > not. > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > prove your point. > > The law in its entirety, eh? > > From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > provide evidence that supports my position. Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full meaning of that law does not constitute evidence.
From: Jimbo on 9 Aug 2010 13:07 On Aug 8, 12:21 pm, Goldy <ur...(a)bezeqint.net> wrote: > Those who have the time to search for meaning are usually those of us > who are extremely wealthy and extremely satisfied with life. Those are > the kind of people who have already reached the top in life and now > are only left to search for meaning. > > Now the rest of us who are faced daily with the hardships of life do > not have the time or aptitude to search for meaning. I tend to disagree. Even back during the years I was working myself through college, working in a number of lower paying positions and struggling with family and home to make ends meet, I still took the time to reflect on such things.
From: Excognito on 9 Aug 2010 17:32 On 9 Aug, 18:06, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The question > > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > > not. > > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > > prove your point. > > > The law in its entirety, eh? > >> From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > > provide evidence that supports my position. > Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full > meaning of that law does not constitute evidence. And what's that got to do with the price of eggs? For the purposes of this argument, I claim that I have provided sufficient in context information to support my argument. The onus lies with you, under the terms of Shadow Proclamation Convention 15 and the Code of the Order of the Brethren (*), to provide a reasoned rebuttal. (*) Amendment 239 of the latter requires parties to abjure the Monty Python bare assertion fallacy in parley.
From: Jimbo on 9 Aug 2010 23:11
On Aug 9, 5:32 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 Aug, 18:06, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 10:21 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 7 Aug, 14:09, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:56 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:30, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:25 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5 Aug, 21:08, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:45 pm, "Otto Bahn" <Ladybrr...(a)GroinToHell.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The question > > > > > > > > is when does a fetus become a human being. > > > > > > > > ANSWER THAT or shut up. > > > > > > > > At the moment it is born, according to the law and the Constitution > > > > > > > says that all person's born in the US are citizens of the US. It > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. he US. It > > > > > > > > > makes no mention of the pre-born, nor post living. > > > > > > > > Incorrect. Several states have laws on fetal homicide, > > > > > > > Abortion is not considered homicide. It is only defined as murder in > > > > > > relation to a physical attack on the mother, and for no other > > > > > > purpose. These laws are meant to grant more rights to the mother in > > > > > > terms of spousal abuse (which the vast majority of these cases stem > > > > > > from) and other attack, not the fetus. They all contain exemptions > > > > > > for legal abortion, they would have to otherwise they would be > > > > > > unenforceable per the courts. These laws do not confer any specific > > > > > > rights to the fetus. > > > > > > I'm not a lawyer and don't have time to read the corresponding state > > > > > laws in detail or conduct a case law review, however, I would not like > > > > > to defend your position in some states, eg Michigan - my initial > > > > > reading is that unless it a 'legal' abortion, it may be prosecutable > > > > > as homicide under some circumstances. Furthermore, several other > > > > > states' definitions of fetal homicide would seem to cover the case > > > > > where somebody deliberately harms the fetus with no intent to harm the > > > > > mother (eg, spiking a drink). The whole area seems to be a mess, with > > > > > apparently contradictory laws and punishments depending upon whether > > > > > the person carrying out the abortion is a medical practitioner or > > > > > not. > > > > > > Of note, however, is that several states define a fetus as a human > > > > > being that has a separate identity from its mother, eg in Oklahoma: > > > > > > Section 24-691 of Title 21 > > > > > A. Homicide is the killing of one human being by another. > > > > > B. As used in this section, "human being" includes an unborn child, as > > > > > defined in Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes. > > > > > > Section 1-730 of Title 63 > > > > > 4. "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of human beings from the > > > > > moment of conception, through pregnancy, and until live birth > > > > > including the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo and > > > > > fetus;- Hide quoted text - > > > > Read the law in it's entirety, not just the sections that you believe > > > > prove your point. > > > > The law in its entirety, eh? > > >> From an argumentative point of view, I need do nothing more than > > > provide evidence that supports my position. > > Cutting sections of the law out of context to the full law, and full > > meaning of that law does not constitute evidence. > > And what's that got to do with the price of eggs? > The fact that you are trying to use deceit to prove a point. |