What is the meaning of life for the atheist
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From: Dr. HotSalt on 3 Aug 2010 06:50 On Aug 2, 9:43 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > Not even in the slightest. Sigh. All this time and you didn't look in the Obvious Bag. it is exactly the point. If you aren't pregnant, you don't need to consider having an abortion, now do you? Dr. HotSalt
From: * US on 3 Aug 2010 08:31 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 03:47:34 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752(a)gmail.com> wrote: >... everyone already *is* free to make their own >choices from the options available to them... There is no evidence for your belief.
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:05 On Aug 3, 6:50 am, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 9:43 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > Not even in the slightest. > > Sigh. All this time and you didn't look in the Obvious Bag. > > it is exactly the point. > > If you aren't pregnant, you don't need to consider having an > abortion, now do you? > But the fact remains that unwanted pregnancies do happen, they have always happened, and they will continue to happen, so how is that relevant to the discussion about the right to chose to abort? Such pregnancies can be reduced by proper education, birth control/condoms, etc......but they are never going away.
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:08 On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > Not even remotely the point. > > I think you'll find it's closely related (taxi!). I may be wrong, > but I suspect the implication is that if one knows what leads to > pregnancy then it should be possible to interfere with the process of > becoming pregnant in the first place, And many people do, but many do not. So? > hence leading to abortion being > (in general) a moot point for the large class of people who currently > find it 'necessary' So, you're saying that if we somehow eliminate all undesired pregnancies, then abortion will go away. On what Fantasy Island episode to you envision this happening?
From: Jimbo on 3 Aug 2010 14:11
On Aug 2, 1:11 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 9:24 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 2, 1:45 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > > I think you'll find it's closely related > > > Not even in the slightest. > > You're quite right. I should not have implied, nor considered, that > you would follow the argument or have a rationale that justifies your > assertions.- Hide quoted text - They've already been justified. You're trying to conflate two unrelated issues. We do not live on Fantasy Island, so the chances of eliminating all unwanted/undesired pregnancies, or eliminating conditions where a pregnancy may have been wanted/desired initially, wasn't after conception. Abortion cannot simply be wished away. |