What is the meaning of life for the atheist
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From: Excognito on 2 Aug 2010 13:22 On Aug 2, 5:43 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 9:18 am, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 1:40 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 6:51 pm, Excognito <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 31 July, 23:18, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:08:17 -0700 (PDT), Excognito > > > > > <stuartbr...(a)gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On 31 July, 19:17, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > >> On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > >> > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > >> > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > >> And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > >> have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > > >An interesting point of view. > > > > > > >What about when, say, a couple of months after young one arrives, I > > > > > >realize the true impact of having a child on my 'freedom'? The state > > > > > >now insists that I can't just drop it into the garbage can, even > > > > > >though I've discovered I don't want it any more. Social norms (in my > > > > > >neck of the woods, at least) impose their own pressures to keep it > > > > > >instead of dumping it on somebody's doorstep. Is this slavery as well? > > > > > > Actually we do have processes that allow you to give up a child. It is > > > > > true that once you have kept it for a while you would face serious > > > > > social pressures not to decide that it's too much trouble, but the > > > > > processes are in place. > > > > > But I'm not allowed to kill it, > > > > Because it is now an independent person, not riding around in your > > > body. > > > Independent? Good. It doesn't need me or anybody else anymore. > It doesn't need you specifically, but you said it's independent - are you changing your mind? The fetus may depend upon its mother's body for life support, but it still depends upon external agents for life support for quite some time. If you don't believe me, toss a baby or toddler into the middle of well- stocked forest, with no passing humans, and see how well it copes.
From: Dr. HotSalt on 2 Aug 2010 17:08 On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > Not even remotely the point. What did you think the point was? Do you have issues with wymyn having to deal with the consequences of their choices? Dr. HotSalt
From: Syd M. on 2 Aug 2010 17:19 On Aug 2, 5:08 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > Not even remotely the point. > > What did you think the point was? > > Do you have issues with wymyn having to deal with the consequences > of their choices? > > Dr. HotSalt And that's all it comes down to, isn't it? Punishing 'sluts' for being free to make their own choices. PDW
From: Excognito on 2 Aug 2010 17:42 On 2 Aug, 22:19, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:08 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > What did you think the point was? > > > Do you have issues with wymyn having to deal with the consequences > > of their choices? > > > Dr. HotSalt > > And that's all it comes down to, isn't it? Punishing 'sluts' for being > free to make their own choices. It might be for you, but for some of us it's a more complex issue that centres around the definition of being human and the consequent rights and responsibilities of individuals within a society.
From: Dr. HotSalt on 3 Aug 2010 06:47
On Aug 2, 2:19 pm, "Syd M." <pdwrigh...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 2, 5:08 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 2, 5:45 am, Jimbo <ckdbig...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 1, 11:22 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 31, 11:17 am, SkyEyes <skyey...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 30, 4:55 am, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I am anti-abortion. For me it's not about spirituality. > > > > > > > Abortion is not only murder (causing the death of an innocent) by > > > > > > human law, it is a crime against the species. > > > > > > And slavery *isn't*? Because, face it, that's what forcing a woman to > > > > > have a child she does not want amounts to. > > > > > Nowadays we know what causes pregnancy. > > > > Not even remotely the point. > > > What did you think the point was? > > > Do you have issues with wymyn having to deal with the consequences > > of their choices? > > And that's all it comes down to, isn't it? Punishing 'sluts' for being > free to make their own choices. Wow. Does that kneejerk hurt when it goes off like that? The point is that everyone already *is* free to make their own choices from the options available to them. Always have been, always will be. Most people believe their range of choices is limited by familial, peer or societal pressures or whatever. Some believe they are free to make any choice they want, regardless of any consequences. (And there are always consequences. I mean, you *did* notice you're xposting to sci.physics, right?) What *I* think it comes down to is that society can not function if we are not held directly responsible for the consequences of our choices *as they affect others*. You can call that punishment if you like, but even in alt.religion.kibology, where the only real rule is *You're Allowed* it's possible to be shunned for some behaviors. That's only if you're not considered worthy of mockery, of course. Anyway. AFAICT SkyEyes' position is that a woman deciding to have an abortion does not "affect others". I may be wrong in that, but that's what I get. My position is that a fetus *is* an "other" who should not be subjected to the consequences of one's choices without recourse. What's yours? Dr. HotSalt |