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From: Rod Speed on 21 Oct 2009 13:27 David Brown wrote > Ant wrote >> Rod Speed wrote >>> So can any Win 2K. >>>> Still weird to pull it off. >>> Nope, hardly anyone uses it anymore. >> I am still surprised MS still supports it and IE6 after all these years. I have a few clients who still use 2000 SP4. >> Hey, it's better >> than crashy 9x and Me! > MS don't support W2K (don't know about IE6 - I almost never use IE). > There are not many still using W2K, but some do, for several reasons. > One is that if you have a working W2K machine, there is almost nothing > to be gained (and plenty to lose) by moving it to a newer windows version. Wrong, as always. USB for example works a hell of a lot better with XP. WiFi in spades. > Another reason is that W2K can easily and quickly be installed without > any activation (you still need a license, of course). Combined with > lighter resource requirements than XP, this makes it very convenient > for virtual machines. > A lot of people still use IE6 - I think it was about 20% last time I looked at one of these browser statistics > reports.
From: Rod Speed on 21 Oct 2009 14:06 Ant wrote > Rod Speed wrote >>>> So can any Win 2K. >>>>> Still weird to pull it off. >>>> Nope, hardly anyone uses it anymore. >>> I am still surprised MS still supports it >> They dont actually. > Um, they are still releasing updates for both 2K Pro. and IE6. Just 2kPro, not 2K. > See these two links/URLs: > 1. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=14&y=17&p1=3071 Mainstream support is retired already. > 2. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3071 Ditto. >>> and IE6 after all these years. I have a few clients who still use 2000 SP4. >> Yeah, there's always a few dinosaurs around. > And it still works great for old stuff. But not for stuff as basic as USB and wifi. >>> Hey, it's better than crashy 9x and Me! >> Not necessarily, depends on what you want to do. > Oh come on. NT OS' are so much stable and better. Thats just plain wrong with USB and wifi and all sorts of other stuff like networking too. > 9x and Me always crashes. Bullshit. ME works fine if you know what you are doing. >>> Wow. I thought all Seagate HDDs were five years for warranty. >> Nar not their externals, and not even all their internals either now, they've gone back to 3 years for some of them, >> now that they have absorbed Maxtor. > Damnit! Who is still doing five years? No one on their entire line. > Samsung only? It only does 5 years selectively too. > Does Samsung sell 2.5" external HDDs. Yep, mate of mine has just been stupid enough to put one thru the washing machine quite literally. Worked fine when it had dried out. > I remmeber you or someone mentioning them doing good in the past. Yeah, me, Arno and John all like them. >>> I guess it's only for internal HDDs. :( >> Not anymore. > :( >>> Do these external HDDs last long? >> The 2.5" drives do. Isnt hard to drop them etc tho. They dont like being dropped onto a hard floor. > Cool.
From: David Brown on 22 Oct 2009 03:07 Rod Speed wrote: > Ant wrote >> Rod Speed wrote > >>>>> So can any Win 2K. > >>>>>> Still weird to pull it off. > >>>>> Nope, hardly anyone uses it anymore. > >>>> I am still surprised MS still supports it > >>> They dont actually. > >> Um, they are still releasing updates for both 2K Pro. and IE6. > > Just 2kPro, not 2K. Did many people use the W2K home version? At that time, MS was still marketing the Win9x line for home use and the NT line for professional use, so you typically had either WinME or W2Kpro. > >> See these two links/URLs: >> 1. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=14&y=17&p1=3071 > > Mainstream support is retired already. > >> 2. http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3071 > > Ditto. > >>>> and IE6 after all these years. I have a few clients who still use 2000 SP4. > >>> Yeah, there's always a few dinosaurs around. > >> And it still works great for old stuff. > > But not for stuff as basic as USB and wifi. > W2K Pro is fine for USB. Obviously you might have trouble finding specific drivers for newer hardware, but lots of other things work perfectly well. Wifi is also fine (in W2K pro) if you have drivers for your card. You typically need hardware-specific utilities to connect - it's certainly easier and more consistent with XP. But if your wifi card has W2K support, it will work fine. >>>> Hey, it's better than crashy 9x and Me! > >>> Not necessarily, depends on what you want to do. > >> Oh come on. NT OS' are so much stable and better. > > Thats just plain wrong with USB and wifi and all sorts of other stuff like networking too. > I have to agree with Ant here. There can be no serious argument suggesting that even the best of the Win9x line (Win98SE, IHMHO) was as stable or reliable as the worst of the NT line (NT4.0 before the first couple of service packs). The NT line has also always been stronger for networking. There was a time when the Win9x line was better for USB (NT4.0 had very little USB support), but by Win2K, the NT line was stronger, more stable, and had greater functionality than the Win9x line (except perhaps for games-oriented graphics). It cost more, and had higher resource demands than WinME, of course. >> 9x and Me always crashes. > > Bullshit. ME works fine if you know what you are doing. > Most systems are stable enough if you treat them appropriately, and can be crashed if you treat them badly. It's just that the NT line will stand up to more pushing (compared to the Win9x line) before falling over.
From: David Brown on 22 Oct 2009 03:11 Rod Speed wrote: > David Brown wrote >> Ant wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote > >>>> So can any Win 2K. > >>>>> Still weird to pull it off. > >>>> Nope, hardly anyone uses it anymore. > >>> I am still surprised MS still supports it and IE6 after all these years. I have a few clients who still use 2000 SP4. >>> Hey, it's better >>> than crashy 9x and Me! > >> MS don't support W2K (don't know about IE6 - I almost never use IE). > >> There are not many still using W2K, but some do, for several reasons. >> One is that if you have a working W2K machine, there is almost nothing >> to be gained (and plenty to lose) by moving it to a newer windows version. > > Wrong, as always. USB for example works a hell of a lot better with XP. > USB works fine for me with W2K Pro. It certainly doesn't support newer hardware that requires its own drivers - there's no doubt that support for new hardware is better in new systems. > WiFi in spades. > WiFi works fine for me with W2K Pro on systems with drivers for W2K. It's not as nice as with XP - you have to use hardware-specific utilities for finding and connecting to networks. But once that's done, it works without trouble. >> Another reason is that W2K can easily and quickly be installed without >> any activation (you still need a license, of course). Combined with >> lighter resource requirements than XP, this makes it very convenient >> for virtual machines. > >> A lot of people still use IE6 - I think it was about 20% last time I looked at one of these browser statistics >> reports. > >
From: Ant on 22 Oct 2009 03:15
On 10/22/2009 12:07 AM PT, David Brown typed: > W2K Pro is fine for USB. Obviously you might have trouble finding > specific drivers for newer hardware, but lots of other things work > perfectly well. Ditto. > Wifi is also fine (in W2K pro) if you have drivers for your card. You > typically need hardware-specific utilities to connect - it's certainly > easier and more consistent with XP. But if your wifi card has W2K > support, it will work fine. Ditto. Key thing is OLD stuff and not newer stuff. > I have to agree with Ant here. There can be no serious argument > suggesting that even the best of the Win9x line (Win98SE, IHMHO) was as > stable or reliable as the worst of the NT line (NT4.0 before the first > couple of service packs). The NT line has also always been stronger for > networking. There was a time when the Win9x line was better for USB > (NT4.0 had very little USB support), but by Win2K, the NT line was > stronger, more stable, and had greater functionality than the Win9x line > (except perhaps for games-oriented graphics). It cost more, and had > higher resource demands than WinME, of course. IIRC, 2000 Pro. SP4 had USB support compared to earlier service packs. > Most systems are stable enough if you treat them appropriately, and can > be crashed if you treat them badly. It's just that the NT line will > stand up to more pushing (compared to the Win9x line) before falling over. [shrugs] I can easily crash 9x without doing anything hard. -- "The constant creeping of ants will wear away the stone." --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: philpi(a)earthlink.netANT ( ) or ANTant(a)zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |