Where is balance? -- Re: Academic priorities
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From: rpl on 3 May 2005 00:57 Marco S Hyman wrote: > rpl <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> writes: > >>>just failing to help solve the problem, they are active contributing to >>>it. (One example: "zero tolerance") >> >>zero tolerance of what? bringing fully automatic weapons onto school >>grounds? > > It wasn't that long ago when it was not uncommon for children from about > 10 years old and up to bring weapons to school, rifles shotguns that were > stored in the school gun rack or cloak room during school hours. The > weapons were used for hunting after school -- often an assigned chore, not > something done purely for pleasure. > > As for zero tolerance... it teaches kids the wrong thing. ? I'm not familiar with what you mean by "zero tolerance", but given a "check-in" procedure, I see no problems. Teaching a child (or an adult) that "there's a time and place for everything" or converse can hardly be construed as "the wrong thing". > Or do you > think there is a valid lesson in getting kicked out of school because > you carry a pocket knife? nope; don't see any reason why a student should carry one on school grounds, either. > > Now that purses and book bags have been banned at one school, > > http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=3245377 the learning process consists of a log, with a student on one end and a teacher on the other. > > I suspect that burritos may be banned next > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7683168/ :) air quality issues. rpl > > // marc
From: Brian Inglis on 3 May 2005 02:29 On Tue, 03 May 2005 04:17:03 GMT in alt.folklore.computers, Marco S Hyman <marc(a)snafu.org> wrote: >rpl <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> writes: >I suspect that burritos may be banned next > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7683168/ Some local schools have bans on peanut butter, peanuts, and/or nuts in any components of lunches or snacks because /some/ children (may) have severe allergies to those. -- Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada Brian.Inglis(a)CSi.com (Brian[dot]Inglis{at}SystematicSW[dot]ab[dot]ca) fake address use address above to reply
From: Morten Reistad on 3 May 2005 05:00 In article <LO6dnb-vyozPmerfRVn-tA(a)rogers.com>, rpl <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote: >Marco S Hyman wrote: >> rpl <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> writes: >> >>>>just failing to help solve the problem, they are active contributing to >>>>it. (One example: "zero tolerance") >>> >>>zero tolerance of what? bringing fully automatic weapons onto school >>>grounds? >> Or do you >> think there is a valid lesson in getting kicked out of school because >> you carry a pocket knife? > >nope; don't see any reason why a student should carry one on school >grounds, either. Due to knives being subjected to "weapons carry" laws here I have had to get a "Swiss Army non-knife". I have also had to get cerfifications for punch-down tools (which have internal 3mm wide knives). These always make havoc in security controls, and they are essential tools for work. I have now shown paperwork about certifications and asked that they immediatly let me through, or assign me an UI status. (refused at gate, airline takes all responsability). I wonder what school administrations would make of swiss army non-knives. (I.e. with a blunt file, blunt pliers, and lots of screwdrivers and a set of can openers; also pretty blunt.) -- mrr
From: jmfbahciv on 3 May 2005 04:48 In article <3do5scF6op5ubU1(a)individual.net>, "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote: > >"rpl" <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message >news:l4-dnSlZ2LV7MOvfRVn-3g(a)rogers.com... >> Kevin G. Rhoads wrote: >>>>BTW, the original justification for schools was to have a sufficiently >>>>educated electorate to vote intelligently on the issues. In this they >>>>have failed miserably. >>> >>> >>> I think it is much worse than that. Public schools these days are not >>> just failing to help solve the problem, they are active contributing to >>> it. (One example: "zero tolerance") >> >> zero tolerance of what? bringing fully automatic weapons onto school >> grounds ? >> >> rpl > >Zero Tolerance of anything "resembling" a weapon. Search on it. Children >have been suspended for small (inches) plastic toy GI Joe guns, knives >suitable for peeling a peach, drawing pictures of guns, having bb guns in >their cars, having any kind of pocket knives. > >Perhaps you should learn something before speaking. My youngest nephew got suspended when he was in second grade for having a butter knife in his backpack. OTOH, it saved him from his mother when she found out why he put it there (needed to undo some screws in the barn so he took one of her silverware pieces). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
From: jmfbahciv on 3 May 2005 04:52
In article <LO6dnb-vyozPmerfRVn-tA(a)rogers.com>, rpl <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote: >Marco S Hyman wrote: >> rpl <plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com> writes: <snip> >> Or do you >> think there is a valid lesson in getting kicked out of school because >> you carry a pocket knife? > >nope; don't see any reason why a student should carry one on school >grounds, either. You've never been on a farm? Or work? <snip> /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. |