Where is balance? -- Re: Academic priorities
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From: CBFalconer on 2 May 2005 14:14 Steve Richfie1d wrote: > Morten, et al, > .... snip ... > >>> and to teach conformity to societal norms. > > There are two very different interpretations of this, and THIS is > where the schools and our family part company. The two > interpretations are: > > 1. Indoctrinate the kids to think "normally", accept commonly > accepted social values, etc., as the schools now attempt to do. > > 2. Teach the kids to ACT (i.e. fake being) completely normal as > needed, but without transforming or restricting their thought > processes. I did this by signing the kids up to Toastmasters ... I may be all wrong, but this certainly sounds as if you are rearing a herd of amoral youngsters with absolutely no ethics. -- "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson
From: Del Cecchi on 2 May 2005 14:50 "Patrick Scheible" <kkt(a)drizzle.com> wrote in message news:tqmk6mhlnxj.fsf(a)drizzle.com... > "Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> writes: > >> "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message >> news:58qdnff4doQ4c-nfRVn-gg(a)giganews.com... >> > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> > news:nuadnbBSmeBeQ-nfRVn-qA(a)rcn.net... >> > >> >> One of the problems >> >> with home-schooling is that these kids are limited to the biases, >> >> beliefs, and knowledge of parents and are never exposed to >> >> other kinds of thinking, experience and knowhow. >> >> And one of the problems with "Government Monopoly Schools" is that the >> kids >> are limited to the biases and knowledge of the teachers and curriculum >> consultants. :-) > > Sure, but as the kids go through school they'll encounter many > different teachers and their biases will tend to balance out. > > -- Patrick Dream on. The curriculum consultants are the same. The teachers are all from the same mold, or don't let it show if they aren't. del
From: Herman Rubin on 2 May 2005 16:48 In article <3dkc4pF6oiq44U1(a)individual.net>, Del Cecchi <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> wrote: >"Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message >news:58qdnff4doQ4c-nfRVn-gg(a)giganews.com... >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:nuadnbBSmeBeQ-nfRVn-qA(a)rcn.net... >>> One of the problems >>> with home-schooling is that these kids are limited to the biases, >>> beliefs, and knowledge of parents and are never exposed to >>> other kinds of thinking, experience and knowhow. >And one of the problems with "Government Monopoly Schools" is that the kids >are limited to the biases and knowledge of the teachers and curriculum >consultants. :-) Home schooling does not necessarily limit them to the knowledge of the parents. However, the government schools do their best to limit them to the knowledge of the teachers and other educationists, few of whom have any understanding whatever of mathematics, and will do their best to keep children from seeing the mathematical concepts and arguments as done by those who do have the conceptual knowledge. >> On that point we agree. This can be countered (thought, I think, in a >> limited >> way) by involving the kids in other activities which encourage this sort >> of >> interaction. On the other hand, just because he didn't mention taking >> steps to >> deal with this, doesn't mean he didn't do it. >> - Bill -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin(a)stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
From: Herman Rubin on 2 May 2005 17:26 In article <tqmk6mhlnxj.fsf(a)drizzle.com>, Patrick Scheible <kkt(a)drizzle.com> wrote: >"Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> writes: >> "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message >> news:58qdnff4doQ4c-nfRVn-gg(a)giganews.com... >> > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> > news:nuadnbBSmeBeQ-nfRVn-qA(a)rcn.net... >> >> One of the problems >> >> with home-schooling is that these kids are limited to the biases, >> >> beliefs, and knowledge of parents and are never exposed to >> >> other kinds of thinking, experience and knowhow. >> And one of the problems with "Government Monopoly Schools" is that the kids >> are limited to the biases and knowledge of the teachers and curriculum >> consultants. :-) >Sure, but as the kids go through school they'll encounter many >different teachers and their biases will tend to balance out. Much of the bias is that of the basic philosophical school of education, and this is carried across. It is basically social adjustment and hyperegalitarian; if some children are more capable, they were taught more at home or some similar reason holds, not that they have more mental ability. -- This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin(a)stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
From: Pascal Bourguignon on 2 May 2005 18:01
hrubin(a)odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes: > In article <tqmk6mhlnxj.fsf(a)drizzle.com>, > Patrick Scheible <kkt(a)drizzle.com> wrote: >>"Del Cecchi" <dcecchi.nospam(a)att.net> writes: > >>> "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote in message >>> news:58qdnff4doQ4c-nfRVn-gg(a)giganews.com... >>> > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> > news:nuadnbBSmeBeQ-nfRVn-qA(a)rcn.net... > >>> >> One of the problems >>> >> with home-schooling is that these kids are limited to the biases, >>> >> beliefs, and knowledge of parents and are never exposed to >>> >> other kinds of thinking, experience and knowhow. > >>> And one of the problems with "Government Monopoly Schools" is that the kids >>> are limited to the biases and knowledge of the teachers and curriculum >>> consultants. :-) > >>Sure, but as the kids go through school they'll encounter many >>different teachers and their biases will tend to balance out. > > Much of the bias is that of the basic philosophical school > of education, and this is carried across. It is basically > social adjustment and hyperegalitarian; if some children are > more capable, they were taught more at home or some similar > reason holds, not that they have more mental ability. That would be true if the teacher population was random. But it is not. Who teaches the teachers? In France, they must all go thru the same "Normal" schools that filters out and normalize them quite efficiently, not counting the system of inspection where "political" inspectors grade the teachers and upon which their advancement determined. So teachers that are possibly very good may stay at the lowest level all their career if they don't adopt the "bias" imposed by the system, or they leave the system. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. -- Georges W. Bush |