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From: Inertial on 10 Jun 2010 08:41 "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:cb1657f8-038f-4475-9f9a-094af33129b1(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 10, 2:26 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:43464268-0cac-4e45-9f91-0becac7795c5(a)d37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On Jun 10, 1:52 pm, Jeroen Belleman <jer...(a)nospam.please> wrote: >> >> Inertial wrote: >> >> > "Jeroen Belleman" <jer...(a)nospam.please> wrote in message >> >> >news:huqc9b$b90$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> >> >> Inertial wrote: >> >> >>> I don't need any help. You [Y.P.] do, but refuse to learn. >> >> >>> That's >> >> >>> your >> >> >>> problem .. but the rest of us have to suffer through your >> >> >>> ignorance >> >> >>> and stupidity. >> >> >> >> We'd suffer less if you'd just give up. Unless you're enjoying >> >> >> yourself, of course. Why do you keep arguing so fervently, even >> >> >> though you know you'll never be getting anywhere? >> >> >> > Because I like the truth to be out there .. if feel a duty to those >> >> > who >> >> > read these threads. And maybe .. just maybe .. he might one day >> >> > surprise us and start to see where he is going wrong and understand. >> >> >> You are entitled to your feelings. However, in my honest opinion, I do >> >> not think you are doing sci.physics a service. I do not believe that >> >> you will succeed to convince him. For anyone so inclined, the concepts >> >> discussed are easy enough to come by, but none so blind as those who >> >> will not see. >> >> >> Jeroen Belleman >> >> > ------------------------ >> > MR belleman >> > BTW are you a physicist ??) >> > inertial admitted that >> > the dimensions of photon momentum are >> >> > M L/C >> >> No. I did not. I said very clearly they were ML/T. Don't lie about >> what I >> say. >> >> There was no 'admission' .. ML/T is what the dimensions of any momentum >> are >> and always have been. P = h / lamda is perfectly correct as far as >> dimension go. >> >> > soof course just those dinensions >> > cannot describe and define the >> > photon momentum >> >> P = h / lambda gives you the momentum with the correct dimensions and >> numerical value >> >> > there must be some >> > scalar figures that are attached to it!! >> >> P, h , and lambda are ALL scalars. They each have a numerical value and >> dimensions. Depending on you units of measure and what EMR you are >> talking >> about, you get difference values for photon momentum >> >> > now >> > according to you >> > what is that L/C stand for - in that formula >> >> There is no L/C in the formula. There is h/lambda. And that has units of >> ML/T. Try to keep up >> >> > (of photon momentum ???) > > ------------------- > next !! So you run away rather than learning. And let me guess. . you'll thro another barrage of foul mouthed insults as you run and hide > enough is enough with that psychopath pig > imbecile donkey Yeup > now i wait for Human being PHYSICISTS > to get in that discussion !! > and to make some advance in physics !! You will NEVER make an advance because you are too ignorant and unwillling to learn or think. What a waste of a brain. Just hurry up and die, because you are of no use to anyone as you are. Just a sad excuse for what used to be a human being.
From: Y.Porat on 10 Jun 2010 14:55 On Jun 10, 7:11 pm, nimrod <00e... > > -------------- > > HI Nimrod > > (a biblic name?) > > how can you say that i dont backuo my arguments > > ddi youlesten to Inertial claiming that > > there is no photon momentum except h/ lambda > > do you agree withthat?? > > I'm not sure he put it like that, but yes. You seem to view the scalar > components as something they are not, you try to put things into it > that aren't there. The frequency or wavelength can be used as values > witout having them exist for a specific time. It is an attribute of > the photon. > -------------------------- common you said that you write poems.. sonow i satrt to read you you are a poet that speaks a lot but in a physice ng you dont have tospeak a lot you have to do physics and mind you th esimpler the better and now i am going to tellyou why youdont know about waht you are talking:: yousaid jsut above that the scalars of photon momentum 'are not very meaningful and i am telling you thatwahjt you said that makes you a parrot for me !! and now tophysics bussiness instead of poerty mumblings : doyou say that no need to examine h/Lambda so it has the dimensions M L /T for you it is enough .. if it was enough my darling then ALL PHOTONS momentum IN OUR UNIVERSE WOULD BE J UST ONE PHOTON MOMENTUM!! iow all photons momentum in universe all of them would have just one numeric value !!! did you got your physics stupidity ??!! sorry in science if someone is talking moronic nonsense it has to be indicated to him it is the difference between physics and poetry !!! so before you want to be my teacher of physics lern youself some basics of physics photon momentum in practice has different value so **what makes that differnt values of them** ?? i am waiting to your answer !!! 2 mind you for a real innovator that is not a parrot i t is the **analysis**AND REANALYSIS of things (as formulas)--- THAT IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR NOT BEING A PARROT !!! (and try to believe me that i know what i am talking about at my age and practice and long training as someone that is twice the age you are ) 3 i dont like the story you told me about yourself that you took part in this ng in a few different names !!! i t is not a good sign for a decent person or someone that does not think he has something to hide iow not a good sign of a scientist !!! TIA Y.Porat ---------------------------------
From: nimrod on 10 Jun 2010 16:14 On 10 Juni, 20:55, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 10, 7:11 pm, nimrod <00e...> > -------------- > > > HI Nimrod > > > (a biblic name?) > > > how can you say that i dont backuo my arguments > > > ddi youlesten to Inertial claiming that > > > there is no photon momentum except h/ lambda > > > do you agree withthat?? > > > I'm not sure he put it like that, but yes. You seem to view the scalar > > components as something they are not, you try to put things into it > > that aren't there. The frequency or wavelength can be used as values > > witout having them exist for a specific time. It is an attribute of > > the photon. > > -------------------------- > > common > you said that you write poems.. > > sonow i satrt to read you > you are a poet that speaks a lot > but in a physice ng > you dont have tospeak a lot > you have to do physics > and mind you > th esimpler the better > and now i am going to tellyou why > youdont know about waht you are talking:: You're entitled to your opinion. > > yousaid jsut above that the scalars of photon momentum 'are not very > meaningful Meaningful enough. > and i am telling you thatwahjt you said that makes you a parrot for > me !! That doesn't make any sense. > > and now tophysics bussiness instead of poerty mumblings : > > doyou say that no need to examine h/Lambda > so > it has the dimensions M L /T > for you it is enough .. > > if it was enough my darling then > ALL PHOTONS momentum IN OUR UNIVERSE WOULD BE > J UST ONE PHOTON MOMENTUM!! No, a single photon always has momentum, but one photon does not make a universe. Again you assume that the basics physics proven to be correct is wrong. You think that such a blatant error would have been missed by all physicist for god knows how long? It not like it is rocket science. And as for your statement - back it up with some math! Otherwise it is just a statement. If you want people to listen, then you have to prove yourself - not the other way around. You are saying we're all wrong - prove it! And I do not mean by saying meaningless things like the above, but with proof! > iow > all photons momentum in universe all of them > would have just one numeric value !!! What are you trying to say? > > did you got your physics stupidity ??!! > sorry in science if someone is talking moronic nonsense > it has to be indicated to him > it is the difference between physics and poetry !!! So you assume, just because I write, that I don't understand physics. Well if you can't explain it better than "haha you're not a physicist" then you can't have much to base your comments on. > > so before you want to be my teacher of physics > lern youself some basics of physics I don't want to be your teacher. I decided to comment because this whole thing is getting silly, and because I agree with Belleman that this is sort of bad for the NG. > > photon momentum in practice has different value > so > **what makes that differnt values of them** ?? The energy and momentum of a photon depend on its frequency. > > i am waiting to your answer !!! > 2 > mind you > for a real innovator that is not a parrot > i t is the **analysis**AND REANALYSIS of things (as > formulas)--- > THAT IS THE NAME OF THE GAME > FOR NOT BEING A PARROT !!! > > (and try to believe me that i know what i am talking about at my age > and practice and long training > as someone that is twice the age you are ) Now you're using the "I'm older and wiser than you" argument. But if you are show me your numbers! And back up your claim that everyone for the last century has been wrong. You're the one with the claim, so it is you who bear the burden of proving we're wrong. It doesn't matter to me, because the equation works and is in accordance with nature - that is why it is up to you to show us. And if you do not want to - then why are you posting here? > 3 > i dont like the story you told me about yourself > that you took part in this ng in a few different names !!! > i > t is not a good sign for a decent person > or someone that does not think he has something to hide > iow > not a good sign of a scientist !!! I'm not a scientist, but that doesn't mean I am ignorant. Some old sigs I've used have gone due to the fact that I do not have those email accounts anymore, others becuase they got spammed, others because I didn't want them - it is like moving to another flat or house. But you, you assume I have something to hide... But that doesn't matter. The thing is that this is an unmoderated NG, and people are here for different reasons. Some are on a crusade, some are interested in physics, some are here to debunk theories, and so on ... researchers and scientist might post here, but I doubt they find the level here that stimulating. The thing is you are posting here saying we're all parrots and idiots (more or less), won't accept the challenge of proving what you say (at any kind of academic standard), call people nazist, communist, and so on - and you wonder why people answer in kind? You set up your post so that if I don't agree wiht you then I am a parrot. Anyones who disagrees with you you call names. This will probably be my last post, since nothing you've posted is taking this dicussion anywhere. I think I will return to reding the newsgroup and only posting when I have a rlevant question. I would recommend that you take it easy on the insults, if not for others' sake then for your own. That temper you've got can't be good for your health. /The Echo
From: Inertial on 10 Jun 2010 18:07 "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:16180ca4-cb6d-45de-8a1e-0cc3507bbf48(a)z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 10, 7:11 pm, nimrod <00e... >> > -------------- >> > HI Nimrod >> > (a biblic name?) >> > how can you say that i dont backuo my arguments >> > ddi youlesten to Inertial claiming that >> > there is no photon momentum except h/ lambda >> > do you agree withthat?? >> >> I'm not sure he put it like that, but yes. You seem to view the scalar >> components as something they are not, you try to put things into it >> that aren't there. The frequency or wavelength can be used as values >> witout having them exist for a specific time. It is an attribute of >> the photon. >> -------------------------- > common > you said that you write poems.. > > sonow i satrt to read you > you are a poet that speaks a lot > but in a physice ng > you dont have tospeak a lot > you have to do physics > and mind you > th esimpler the better > and now i am going to tellyou why > youdont know about waht you are talking:: > > yousaid jsut above that the scalars of photon momentum 'are not very > meaningful > and i am telling you thatwahjt you said that makes you a parrot for > me !! > > and now tophysics bussiness instead of poerty mumblings : > > doyou say that no need to examine h/Lambda > so > it has the dimensions M L /T It is .. all momentums have dimensions M L / T > for you it is enough .. > > if it was enough my darling then > ALL PHOTONS momentum IN OUR UNIVERSE WOULD BE > J UST ONE PHOTON MOMENTUM!! BAHAHAHA .. you don't understand what dimension mean. EVERY momentum in the univers has dimensions M L / T. That does NOT mean they have the same value. > iow > all photons momentum in universe all of them > would have just one numeric value !!! No .. that does NOT follow at all. You clearly do not know what the 'dimensions' of a scalar (or vector) actually means . I've explained it clearly and honestly, and you ignore it and instead throw insults > did you got your physics stupidity ??!! Now you're insulting Nimrod > sorry in science if someone is talking moronic nonsense > it has to be indicated to him Exactly .. which is why I point out your many errors to you in the hope you would learn, as an honest person would at least try to do. You don't > it is the difference between physics and poetry !!! > > so before you want to be my teacher of physics > lern youself some basics of physics What a hypocrite you are > photon momentum in practice has different value > so > **what makes that differnt values of them** ?? Look at the formula P = h / lambda. The lambda is the variable. > i am waiting to your answer !!! > 2 > mind you > for a real innovator that is not a parrot > i t is the **analysis**AND REANALYSIS of things (as > formulas)--- > THAT IS THE NAME OF THE GAME > FOR NOT BEING A PARROT !!! More gibberish > (and try to believe me that i know what i am talking about at my age > and practice and long training > as someone that is twice the age you are ) But you have no experience at all in physics .. you are (god help them) a retired engineer who was invovled in designing and building bridges (if you can be believed) .. remind me never to travel over any bridges in your country > 3 > i dont like the story you told me about yourself > that you took part in this ng in a few different names !!! Tough > i > t is not a good sign for a decent person Here we go .. now you're saying teh Nimrod is no a decent person because he is sensible enough to keeep his identity to himself > or someone that does not think he has something to hide > iow > not a good sign of a scientist !!! Porat.. you're really just a nasty piece of work
From: Y.Porat on 11 Jun 2010 00:16
On Jun 10, 10:14 pm, nimrod > as someone that is twice the age you are ) > > Now you're using the "I'm older and wiser than you" argument. But if > you are show me your numbers! And back up your claim that everyone for > the last century has been wrong. You're the one with the claim, so it > is you who bear the burden of proving we're wrong. It doesn't matter > to me, because the equation works and is in accordance with nature - > that is why it is up to you to show us. And if you do not want to - > then why are you posting here? ------------------------------ so you went so far as to ask ME why i am posting here !!! (:-) and getting 6000 readers .... so i am going to show you why I am posting here i am posting here because i am beginner in physics and not a poet so how about going to our physics point ??!! inless mumbling and more formula analysis?? so there we go: th e momentum of photon was presented here as P =h/Lambda as simple as that i prefer to present it more simple for me since Lmbda is c/f and 1/lambda is f/c i prefer to present out momentum as P=hf/c it is much obvious sine the whole story becomes P = E/c = hf/c !! jsut as simple as that we come again to the old P momentum is Energy/c !! jsut as simple as that so it is again P photon = hf /c !!! (E/c) h is 6.6 exp -34 f is a scalar figure divided by the time dimension c is 3 Exp 10 please note any physics formula is composed (built up ) of physical dimensions (for instance M K S ) and what i call ' scalar multipliers ' scalar multipliers are for me NET FIGURES with no dimensions ie jsut algebraic figures !! so now i can do easily the analysis of of hf/c (the old well known E/C as m c^2 /c = m c (:-) ) while the only difference - ** the name of the game ** are rather those scalar figures that you so much UNDER ESTIMATED !! and i prefer for better understanding it so separate the dimensions of it and the net figures of it so we get the old m c (M L/T or Kilogram Meter /second --as you like it to be )) multiplied by the net figures associated with it !! again i am not going to do it for (excuse me the lofty word ) for didactic reasons !! because if i will do it then 1 some crook s here will say it is not right 2 it will not be enshrined good enough AND THAT IS WHY I INSIST SO LONG and persistent THAT SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT !! BTW (surprisingly ) i wonder if that simple but crucially important - analysis was ever done in a text book !! so Nimrod or anyone else please tell us what are those SCALAR NET FIGURES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE -- M L/T dimensions ??!! just a (big) hint they are important by WHAT THERE **IS** IN THEM AS WELL AS IN WHAT THERE IS *NOT* IN THEM !!.. so here Nimrod and others please dont tell me that i am not talking physics and formula analysis TIA Y.Porat --------------------------- .. |