Why do Apple Mail accounts go off-line spontaneously?
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From: Barry Margolin on 26 Nov 2009 01:36 In article <jollyroger-A036DD.00003326112009(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > Gracefully give up and try again later. After -x- or more consecutive > tries, *then* take them offline. Most email connectivity issues are > temporary, after all, IME. But it's not a connectivity issue. It's an explicit error response to the password. If servers weren't so buggy, this would always be a true problem with the password. Probably Mail should behave differently if this happens when you click on "Get Mail" versus scheduled mail downloads, or if Mail is in the foreground or background. If it's the foreground application or you manually ask it to download mail, it should show the error immediately. But if it's running in the background and doing automatic downloads, you don't need to be annoyed immediately. However, the problem with this is that you might never bring mail to the foreground. I leave Mail running all the time, but I only select it when the badge shows that I have new mail, or I want to send an email. If it's having problems logging in, I'd never find out if it didn't pop up an alert. -- Barry Margolin, barmar(a)alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
From: Salmon Egg on 26 Nov 2009 01:40 In article <jollyroger-7A811D.19151725112009(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > That will happen if connecting to the server fails. The behavior we're > > talking about occurs if it successfully connects, but the server rejects > > the username and password. > > Actually, the OP and I are talking about what happens if the connection > fails. I am the original poster. Typically, only one account goes off-line. I think I have had two do that once. The DSL connection is not broken. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: Salmon Egg on 26 Nov 2009 01:50 In article <jollyroger-722027.23554425112009(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > In article <barmar-6A8F0A.23462825112009(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > Barry Margolin <barmar(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > In article <jollyroger-7A811D.19151725112009(a)news.individual.net>, > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > > Actually, the OP and I are talking about what happens if the connection > > > fails. > > > > I've never seen it ask for the password when that happens. In that case > > it just marks the account offline with, I think with a triangle with "!" > > in it. > > > > It only asks for a new password if the connection succeeds and login > > fails. > > Did you read the OP? He didn't claim it asked for a password (certainly not a new password). This is a strain on my memory. To my best recollection: This shows up with Mail asking me for a password for an account in order to check for mail. Then when I check, at least one account is off-line. I use the menu to put all accounts on-line. Mail apparently does that and resends the password in the process. I never had to retype the password. I do not wish to be repetitive. Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: Paul Sture on 26 Nov 2009 03:56 In article <SalmonEgg-4B12CF.22402525112009(a)news60.forteinc.com>, Salmon Egg <SalmonEgg(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-7A811D.19151725112009(a)news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > > That will happen if connecting to the server fails. The behavior we're > > > talking about occurs if it successfully connects, but the server rejects > > > the username and password. > > > > Actually, the OP and I are talking about what happens if the connection > > fails. > > I am the original poster. Typically, only one account goes off-line. I > think I have had two do that once. The DSL connection is not broken. > I see this occasionally. I have a POP account with my ISP and several IMAP accounts with a hosting company. In my case, the former is a consumer grade service and the latter is a commercial grade service, and I can see the difference when it comes to mail server availability. It's probably not quite as simple as that, but their respective priorities are different. In practice, the POP account goes offline every now and then (so far this week, on 2 successive days shortly after 5 PM), but the commercial grade service only goes offline for scheduled maintenance, and they inform me in advance about that. -- Paul Sture
From: Paul Sture on 26 Nov 2009 04:08
In article <jollyroger-A036DD.00003326112009(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > Asking for a password is one thing. Taking accounts offline and refusing > to check email again for them until the user manually re-enables them is > another. Entourage doesn't do it. Others I have used in the past, > including Outlook Express and Claris Emailer, didn't used do it either. I suppose it's better than Mail several OS X versions back, where it would repeatedly ask for the password to the point where I would exit Mail altogether. -- Paul Sture |