Why is installing software....so....darn....slow? [Suse]

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From: Pétur Ingi Egilsson on 28 Sep 2007 21:12

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:03:12 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:

> On Sep 28, 8:42 pm, Pétur Ingi Egilsson <pe...(a)dk.is> wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:04:06 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:
>> > I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that
>> > anytime I download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>>
>> > First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then
>> > it spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs
>> > the software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes --
>> > and finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for
>> > another few minutes until it finally completes.
>>
>> > I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
>> > installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
>> > excruciating.
>>
>> > I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
>> > example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
>> > complete.
>>
>> > Is this normal?
>>
>> > -Randy
>>
>> Hi Randy.
>>
>> Certainly this is not normal if your system is > than the recommenced
>> hardware requirements.
>>
>> How much RAM do you have?
>> What kind of processor?
>
> It's a brand new system: AMD Athlon 2.4GhZ processor, 1GB memory. Fresh
> download/install of openSUSE 10.2
>
> Everything else on the system seems to run fine -- all the applications
> seem pretty fast. It is just the execution of an RPM that is very, very
> slow. I just installed the plugins for gkrellm -- it took about 20
> minutes to complete.
>
> If there is something wrong, what should I look at to try to fix?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy

Hi

This is weird.

Go down to runlevel 3 ( init 3 ) and reinstall the rpm ( rpm -e
RPMNAME.rpm to delete it. rpm -ihv RPMNAME.rpm to install it again ) ..
does that work?

If all fails, you could try to upgrade to openSuSE 10.3 RC1 ( i've been
using it for couple of days and it seams to be stable )

From: Pétur Ingi Egilsson on 28 Sep 2007 21:14

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:09:32 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:

> On Sep 28, 8:43 pm, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>> Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:
>> > I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that
>> > anytime I download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>>
>> > First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then
>> > it spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs
>> > the software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes --
>> > and finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for
>> > another few minutes until it finally completes.
>>
>> > I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
>> > installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
>> > excruciating.
>>
>> > I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
>> > example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
>> > complete.
>>
>> > Is this normal?
>>
>> No, it is not.
>> You are off by a factor of about 100
>> --
>> Another name for a Windows tutorial is crash course
>
> I should also mention -- when I download/execute an RPM file, the
> "software installer" tool is invoked (which is part of YaST, I am
> assuming?)
>
> I have not tried using a bash command to invoke the install of the RPM,
> maybe I should do that instead?
>
> There is also this "zen software" daemon thing running, which is part of
> all of this, I think? -- could that be contributing to the overall
> slowness of installing software?
>
> I'd really like to figure out how to speed this installing software
> process up. I can only install a couple of things an evening, otherwise
> I run out of time just waiting for the thing to finish (!)
>
> Thanks,
> Randy

I don't think you'll bee needing ZEN, feel free to disable it.
You can install RPM's with the command "rpm -ihv RPMNAME.rpm" ( 'man rpm'
and read about the various parameters for the command )

From: Randy Brick MacKenna on 28 Sep 2007 21:17

On Sep 28, 9:12 pm, Pétur Ingi Egilsson <pe...(a)dk.is> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:03:12 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 8:42 pm, Pétur Ingi Egilsson <pe...(a)dk.is> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:04:06 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:
> >> > I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that
> >> > anytime I download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>
> >> > First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then
> >> > it spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs
> >> > the software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes --
> >> > and finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for
> >> > another few minutes until it finally completes.
>
> >> > I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
> >> > installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
> >> > excruciating.
>
> >> > I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
> >> > example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
> >> > complete.
>
> >> > Is this normal?
>
> >> > -Randy
>
> >> Hi Randy.
>
> >> Certainly this is not normal if your system is > than the recommenced
> >> hardware requirements.
>
> >> How much RAM do you have?
> >> What kind of processor?
>
> > It's a brand new system: AMD Athlon 2.4GhZ processor, 1GB memory. Fresh
> > download/install of openSUSE 10.2
>
> > Everything else on the system seems to run fine -- all the applications
> > seem pretty fast. It is just the execution of an RPM that is very, very
> > slow. I just installed the plugins for gkrellm -- it took about 20
> > minutes to complete.
>
> > If there is something wrong, what should I look at to try to fix?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Randy
>
> Hi
>
> This is weird.
>
> Go down to runlevel 3 ( init 3 ) and reinstall the rpm ( rpm -e
> RPMNAME.rpm to delete it. rpm -ihv RPMNAME.rpm to install it again ) ..
> does that work?
>
> If all fails, you could try to upgrade to openSuSE 10.3 RC1 ( i've been
> using it for couple of days and it seams to be stable )

Thanks, yes I will try that in the morning and post my results. I'll
keep more careful time as well. I did notice that there is an
extraordinary delay at the point the software installer says "99%
complete" -- it sits there for a very long time and the CPU is
throttled to max frequency, and 100% duty cycle.

I will try the runlevel 3 idea to see how that behaves.

Thanks,
Randy

From: Vahis on 28 Sep 2007 23:29

From: EOS on 28 Sep 2007 23:50

Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:

> I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that anytime
> I download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>
> First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then it
> spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs the
> software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes -- and
> finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for
> another few minutes until it finally completes.
>
> I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
> installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
> excruciating.
>
> I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
> example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
> complete.
>
> Is this normal?

no, you compare windows with a linux machine
don't do that !

easy installing software:
first you don't want to download rpm by hand.
add Repositories & then you can search over yast itself ;-)
http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories

yast - software - installation source --> give url like
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/

I have for openSUSE 10.2 @ a mirror in belgium:
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/mozilla/openSUSE_10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_10.2
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/
ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/video/videolan/vlc/SuSE/10.2
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