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From: EOS on 29 Sep 2007 03:18
EOS wrote:

> no, you compare windows with a linux machine
> don't do that !
>
> easy installing software:
> first you don't want to download rpm by hand.
> add Repositories & then you can search over yast itself ;-)
> http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories
>
> yast - software - installation source --> give url like
> http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
>
>
> I have for openSUSE 10.2 @ a mirror in belgium:
> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/10.2
> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/packman/suse/10.2
>
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/
>
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/non-oss
> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/mozilla/openSUSE_10.2
> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2
>
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/Backports/openSUSE_10.2
> http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_10.2
>
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_10.2
>
http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_10.2/
> ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/video/videolan/vlc/SuSE/10.2

delete "ZMD" in openSUSE 10.2,
uncheck 'enterprise software managent'
http://users.telenet.be/photo-memories/img/yast-zmd.png
--
EOS
www.photo-memories.be
Running KDE 3.5.7 / openSUSE 10.3 RC1
From: darklight on 29 Sep 2007 04:53
Randy Brick MacKenna wrote

is that a 64 bit cpu and what version of opensuse are you using the 32 bit
or 64 bit. and what are the complete specs of the system
what kind of connection and how fast is it

From: Unruh on 29 Sep 2007 12:56
=?iso-8859-1?b?UOl0dXI=?= Ingi Egilsson <petur(a)dk.is> writes:

>On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:04:06 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:

>> I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that anytime I
>> download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>>
>> First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then it
>> spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs the
>> software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes -- and
>> finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for another
>> few minutes until it finally completes.
>>

If your 5 to 10 min is correct ( rather than the 5-10 sec I suspect you
really mean-- get out your watch next time and actually time it)
Then you have problems. Far too small memory. Far too slow a computer.
A hard disk which is on its last legs and needs to reread itself 10 times
each time it reads something.


>> I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
>> installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
>> excruciating.
>>
>> I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
>> example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
>> complete.
>>
>> Is this normal?

No

>>
>> -Randy

>Hi Randy.

>Certainly this is not normal if your system is > than the recommenced
>hardware requirements.

>How much RAM do you have?
>What kind of processor?




From: Unruh on 29 Sep 2007 12:58
Randy Brick MacKenna <randymackenna(a)yahoo.com> writes:

>On Sep 28, 8:43 pm, Peter K=F6hlmann <peter.koehlm...(a)t-online.de>
>wrote:
>> Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:
>> > I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that anytime
>> > I download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>>
>> > First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then it
>> > spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs the
>> > software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes -- and
>> > finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for
>> > another few minutes until it finally completes.
>>
>> > I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
>> > installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
>> > excruciating.
>>
>> > I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
>> > example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
>> > complete.
>>
>> > Is this normal?
>>
>> No, it is not.
>> You are off by a factor of about 100
>> --
>> Another name for a Windows tutorial is crash course

>I should also mention -- when I download/execute an RPM file, the
>"software installer" tool is invoked (which is part of YaST, I am
>assuming?)

>I have not tried using a bash command to invoke the install of the
>RPM, maybe I should do that instead?

>There is also this "zen software" daemon thing running, which is part
>of all of this, I think? -- could that be contributing to the overall
>slowness of installing software?

>I'd really like to figure out how to speed this installing software
>process up. I can only install a couple of things an evening,
>otherwise I run out of time just waiting for the thing to finish (!)

>Thanks,
>Randy


Actually this sounds like one of my machines ( and intel 686 32 bit system)
which also took forever, and it required a bios reflash. Ie, there was some
bios problem in its interaction with Linux.

From: Randy Brick MacKenna on 29 Sep 2007 19:38
On Sep 29, 12:56 pm, Unruh <unruh-s...(a)physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
> =?iso-8859-1?b?UOl0dXI=?= Ingi Egilsson <pe...(a)dk.is> writes:
>
> >On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:04:06 -0700, Randy Brick MacKenna wrote:
> >> I'm new to Linux and to openSUSE. One thing I noticed is that anytime I
> >> download a RPM, it takes next to forever to install.
>
> >> First, it spends about 5-10 minutes "resolving dependencies". Then it
> >> spends another 5 minutes "preparing software". Then it installs the
> >> software, sitting at 0% completion for another 5-10 minutes -- and
> >> finally jumping to 99% completion, where it will usually sit for another
> >> few minutes until it finally completes.
>
> If your 5 to 10 min is correct ( rather than the 5-10 sec I suspect you
> really mean-- get out your watch next time and actually time it)
> Then you have problems. Far too small memory. Far too slow a computer.
> A hard disk which is on its last legs and needs to reread itself 10 times
> each time it reads something.
>
> >> I mean, compared to a WinXP system, where downloading a .exe self-
> >> installer and waiting about 10 seconds for it to complete, this is
> >> excruciating.
>
> >> I'm not installing complex stuff, either. Simple utilities, for
> >> example. It seems that everything takes at least 15-20 minutes to
> >> complete.
>
> >> Is this normal?
>
> No
>
>
>
> >> -Randy
> >Hi Randy.
> >Certainly this is not normal if your system is > than the recommenced
> >hardware requirements.
> >How much RAM do you have?
> >What kind of processor?

Okay...I had some time to experiment more with this today, after
getting all my chores around the house done...

I believe the culprit was that ZMD (Zen) thing..whatever it is. As
someone here suggested, I turned it off. Now, when click on an RPM at
a website, it no longer automatically installs -- I have to go to the
folder it was downloaded to and then tell YaST to install it.

YaST installs the RPM in about 20 seconds, compared to 20 minutes (yes
MINUTES!!) with the software installation tool/ZMD tool.

No way this slowness could have been due to the system. I'm running
on a brand new build, with an AMD Athlon 3800+ with 1G of DDR2-667
memory and two brand new W.D. 7200 RPM 3.0GB SATA drives, in striped
(RAID-0) mode. This system is not a screaming gamer dream box -- but
for a fileserver/webserver it is pretty good. Everything else on the
box runs acceptably fast.

What I'd like to do now, if someone can tell me how, is to dis-
associate the RPM filetype from that nasty software installation
tool, and instead associate it with the YaST installer. Removing that
software installation tool might not be a bad idea, either. I'm
running KDE, if that matters.

Thanks!
-Randy

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