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From: |-|ercules on 5 Aug 2010 16:44 "Frederick Williams" <frederick.williams2(a)tesco.net> wrote ... > |-|ercules wrote: >> >> "Frederick Williams" <frederick.williams2(a)tesco.net> wrote >> > |-|ercules wrote: >> > >> >> It's [water's] unique Hydrogen bond giving the characteristic bend in the molecule ... >> > >> > What utter rot. >> > >> >> I'm sure my Chemistry teacher said the class of molecule water falls into it should be a gas. >> >> What causes the bend then? Even though it's not necessary for the sugar argument. >> >> Herc >> > > See Wikipedia: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water#Chemical_and_physical_properties: > > "The four electron pairs surrounding the oxygen tend to arrange > themselves as far from each other as possible in order to minimize > repulsions between these clouds of negative charge. This would > ordinarily result in a tetrahedral geometry in which the angle between > electron pairs (and therefore the H-O-H bond angle) is 109.5�. However, > because the two non-bonding pairs remain closer to the oxygen atom, > these exert a stronger repulsion against the two covalent bonding pairs, > effectively pushing the two hydrogen atoms closer together. The result > is a distorted tetrahedral arrangement in which the H-O-H angle is > 104.5�.[12]" > > And reference [12]: http://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/aboutwater.html > > The "bend" as you call it may facilitate hydrogen bonding, but not vice > versa. > In that case, change "giving" to "from". Herc
From: spudnik on 6 Aug 2010 14:30 it's like giving or taking candy from a baby? note that operant conditioning can make sweet, bad; subset of syneshtesia? > In that case, change "giving" to "from". thus: I totally agree, but he did start out with a good observation, iff and iff only because I made it, two, a long, long, long time, ago ... er, got it from Bucky!... so, how do you say that "counting is dimensional?..." do androids dream of dimensional sheep? --les ducs d'oil! http://tarpley.net --Light, A History! http://wlym.com
From: Autymn D. C. on 7 Aug 2010 08:01
On Aug 6, 11:30 am, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > it's like giving or taking candy from a baby? > > note that operant conditioning can make sweet, bad; > subset of syneshtesia? > > > In that case, change "giving" to "from". > > thus: > I totally agree, but he did start out with a good observation, iff and > iff only because I made it, two, a long, long, long time, [snip skizofrenic drivel] iff (that is, "if and only if") is redundant: if is always only if; otherwise it's when. -Aut |