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From: Twayne on 7 Feb 2010 12:07
In news:uigpgF0pKHA.5224(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Paul Randall <paulr901(a)cableone.net> typed:
> "Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:OGJ$r8opKHA.4648(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> In news:evQH9VopKHA.3912(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
>
>> I do agree with you that ntbackup.exe is a fully functional, capable
>> and reliable backup program. I used it for a long time before I
>> purchases imaging software. In fact, I still use it to back up the
>> System State now and then. SS is close to a registry backup but also
>> includes all the boot files, etc., needed to be able to boot the
>> computer up. I back up the SS whenever I make major changes to HW
>> or SW.
>
> Can this "fully functional, capable and reliable backup program" be
> used to restore selected files onto a WXP home system a Win7 system,
> or from a UBCD4WIN or similar PEBuilder type boot disk with a
> thumbdrive holding the actual program to do the restore? What
> programs would have to be put on the thumb drive to do this?
>
> -Paul Randall

Umm, no, pretty unlikely. That's why most systems come with their own backup
utility: There isn't much backward compatability between different systems
backup programs. No matter what you used to backup XP or win 7, there would
be issues with trying to Restore to a different OS. For instance, XP's boot
disk isn't going to work for win 7 and vice-versa so full recovery is
impossible right away.
You're probably better off using win7's transfer cable to get things from
XP/win7, and the Transfer wizard, but I've never tried it. Win 7 does claim
to be able to get data from an active XP machine.
But that's not restoring from a backup, either, which is what you wanted.

HTH,

Twayne




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Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
through personal experience does not become a
part of the moral tissue.

From: TimeLady on 7 Feb 2010 17:39


"Jim" <j.n(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:#wprXSopKHA.4280(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:
> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.
> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.
>
> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked back.
>
> Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17 minutes.
> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does the
> restore
>
> Jim
> "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message
> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> win xp pro sp3
>>
>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an
>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5
>> minutes.
>>
>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have
>> never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people
>> use it. I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions
>> about it which are not quite clear.
>>
>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows
>> it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one
>> restore from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some
>> crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?
>>
>> It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup.
>> I'm afraid this bit confuses me.
>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the
>> folders. Which one would I use?
>>
>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description
>> on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.
>>
>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required any
installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files required. So far
I've been quite happy with the feature/software.
I have Win XP sp3.

Edna.

From: Twayne on 8 Feb 2010 14:05
In news:0B0225F2-C70C-48EF-BF02-FC85F2683C24(a)microsoft.com,
TimeLady <tau_delta(a)SPAMTRAPhotmail.co.uk> typed:
> "Jim" <j.n(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:#wprXSopKHA.4280(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:
>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.
>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.
>>
>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked
>> back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17
>> minutes.
>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does
>> the restore
>>
>> Jim
>> "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> win xp pro sp3
>>>
>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an
>>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes
>>> about 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and
>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how
>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a
>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.
>>>
>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this
>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions
>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If
>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup
>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential
>>> backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.
>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each
>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?
>>>
>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the
>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.
>>>
>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be
>>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
> Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required
> any installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files required.
> So far I've been quite happy with the feature/software.
> I have Win XP sp3.
>
> Edna.

You are correct. The only time anything like that is required would be for a
restoration from a full catastrophic loss of the drive. Then you need the
bootable floppy ASR since the drive isn't bootable (as in a new blank
drive). Ntbackup also reminds you to create new ASR floppies when needed.

HTH,

Twayne



--
Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
through personal experience does not become a
part of the moral tissue.

From: Unknown on 8 Feb 2010 15:35
What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can get
my computer running
again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the
internal drive.
"Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:%23hKq0GPqKHA.4604(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> In news:0B0225F2-C70C-48EF-BF02-FC85F2683C24(a)microsoft.com,
> TimeLady <tau_delta(a)SPAMTRAPhotmail.co.uk> typed:
>> "Jim" <j.n(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:#wprXSopKHA.4280(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:
>>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.
>>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.
>>>
>>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked
>>> back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17
>>> minutes.
>>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does
>>> the restore
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> win xp pro sp3
>>>>
>>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an
>>>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes
>>>> about 5 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and
>>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how
>>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a
>>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.
>>>>
>>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this
>>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions
>>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If
>>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup
>>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential
>>>> backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.
>>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each
>>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?
>>>>
>>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the
>>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.
>>>>
>>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be
>>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required
>> any installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files required.
>> So far I've been quite happy with the feature/software.
>> I have Win XP sp3.
>>
>> Edna.
>
> You are correct. The only time anything like that is required would be for
> a restoration from a full catastrophic loss of the drive. Then you need
> the bootable floppy ASR since the drive isn't bootable (as in a new blank
> drive). Ntbackup also reminds you to create new ASR floppies when needed.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne
>
>
>
> --
> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered
> through personal experience does not become a
> part of the moral tissue.


From: Anthony Buckland on 9 Feb 2010 17:01

"Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message
news:ubNzO5PqKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can
> get my computer running
> again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the
> internal drive.
...

Could you enlarge on how you do this?


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