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From: joe on 5 Feb 2010 10:49
win xp pro sp3

I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an external
hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5 minutes.

I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have never
seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people use it.
I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions about it which
are not quite clear.

One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows it
will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one restore
from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some crash which
makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?

It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup. I'm
afraid this bit confuses me.
What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the
folders. Which one would I use?

None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description on
Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.



From: Jim on 5 Feb 2010 11:59
Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:
1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.
2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked back.

Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17 minutes.
Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does the
restore

Jim
"joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message
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> win xp pro sp3
>
> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an
> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5
> minutes.
>
> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have
> never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people
> use it. I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions
> about it which are not quite clear.
>
> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows
> it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one
> restore from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some crash
> which makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?
>
> It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup. I'm
> afraid this bit confuses me.
> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the
> folders. Which one would I use?
>
> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description
> on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.
>
> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.
>
>
>



From: M. Murphy on 5 Feb 2010 12:05
While Acronis is a good choice, NTBACKUP is a great utility, and always
works flawlessly on every computer I have ever used it on.
You only need the installation cd if you are restoring your entire system.
It is not needed to perform the backup.
You do not need a floppy drive IF your system will boot from the
installation CD, as most newer computers do.

Best part of ntbackup, it is FREE and already installed on your XP pro
computer.


"Jim" <j.n(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:
> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.
> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.
>
> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked back.
>
> Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17 minutes.
> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does the
> restore
>
> Jim
> "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message
> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> win xp pro sp3
>>
>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an
>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5
>> minutes.
>>
>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have
>> never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people
>> use it. I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions
>> about it which are not quite clear.
>>
>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows
>> it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one
>> restore from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some
>> crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?
>>
>> It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup.
>> I'm afraid this bit confuses me.
>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the
>> folders. Which one would I use?
>>
>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description
>> on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.
>>
>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


From: Twayne on 5 Feb 2010 13:15
In news:evQH9VopKHA.3912(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
M. Murphy <MMurphy(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> While Acronis is a good choice, NTBACKUP is a great utility, and
> always works flawlessly on every computer I have ever used it on.
> You only need the installation cd if you are restoring your entire
> system. It is not needed to perform the backup.
> You do not need a floppy drive IF your system will boot from the
> installation CD, as most newer computers do.
>
> Best part of ntbackup, it is FREE and already installed on your XP pro
> computer.
>
>
> "Jim" <j.n(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%23wprXSopKHA.4280(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:
>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.
>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.
>>
>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked
>> back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17
>> minutes.
>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does
>> the restore
>>
>> Jim
>> "joe" <joe(a)ebox.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> win xp pro sp3
>>>
>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an
>>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes
>>> about 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and
>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how
>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a
>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.
>>>
>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this
>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions
>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If
>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup
>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential
>>> backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.
>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each
>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?
>>>
>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the
>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.
>>>
>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be
>>> appreciated.

Ahh, THAT is what the reference to the CD was in another post. I assume
you're talking about booting the XP disk and using ntbackup from there? I
was't aware you could do that because it's compressed, as in ntbackup.ex_ on
my XP disk, meaning you couldn't run it from there. It has to be run thru
the expand.exe to make it usable.
It's a simple matter to boot from the ASR floppy if you have a floppy
drive; you just boot, tell it where the restore files reside, and go.
How would you do it using the CD? I'm curious because that would solve a
lot of problems for people who don't want to spend the $10 to add a floppy
drive if they don't have one.

I do agree with you that ntbackup.exe is a fully functional, capable and
reliable backup program. I used it for a long time before I purchases
imaging software. In fact, I still use it to back up the System State now
and then. SS is close to a registry backup but also includes all the boot
files, etc., needed to be able to boot the computer up. I back up the SS
whenever I make major changes to HW or SW.

Regards,

Twayne`




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through personal experience does not become a
part of the moral tissue.

From: Paul Randall on 6 Feb 2010 10:30

"Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> In news:evQH9VopKHA.3912(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,

> I do agree with you that ntbackup.exe is a fully functional, capable and
> reliable backup program. I used it for a long time before I purchases
> imaging software. In fact, I still use it to back up the System State now
> and then. SS is close to a registry backup but also includes all the boot
> files, etc., needed to be able to boot the computer up. I back up the SS
> whenever I make major changes to HW or SW.

Can this "fully functional, capable and reliable backup program" be used to
restore selected files onto a WXP home system a Win7 system, or from a
UBCD4WIN or similar PEBuilder type boot disk with a thumbdrive holding the
actual program to do the restore? What programs would have to be put on the
thumb drive to do this?

-Paul Randall


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