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From: Michael Moroney on 8 Jan 2010 14:59 mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >On Jan 7, 12:00 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >> mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >> >wrote: >> >> mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >> >On Jan 6, 3:38 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> MM's results indicate either no ether at all or ether entrainment. >> >> >Aether Displacement and Entrainment it is. >> >> >> You forgot to supply the pointer to the experiment(s) that differentiate >> >> between aether entrainment and no aether, which indicate that there is, in >> >> fact, aether entrainment. PD has been asking you for evidence of aether >> >> entrainment (to the orbit of Uranus), too. >> >> >> Comments by a person aren't an experiment. Even if that person is Einstein. >> >> (and in particular ones made before QM really got going and supplied more >> >> evidence that a luminiferous ether is unnecessary) >> >Evidence like the behaviors of a C-60 molecule in a double slit >> >experiment? >> >> All evidence I've seen is exactly what QM predicts. And besides, I was >> talking about an experiment that differentiates between entrained aether >> and no aether, not what happens in a double slit experiment. So far you >> haven't presented any such experiment. >> >> >Evidence where the C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the >> >aether? >> >> No such evidence has been seen. >> >> >You still haven't answered how it is, in QM, a C-60 molecule is >> >detected exiting a single slit when detectors are placed at the exits >> >to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). >> >Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot your answer was, "Because it's a >> >wave". >> >> Whether you like it or not, QM predicts "things" (photons, electrons, etc) >> have both particle and wave properties under certain conditions. >> >That is not what I asked you. I am asking you how a C-60 molecule, 60 >interconnected atoms, can be detected exiting a single slit if >detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant before the >C-60 molecule is to exit the slit(s). >How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the >slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? Why are you avoiding the issue? You claim MM proves entrained aether, I said it can't differentiate between no ether and entrained ether. I ask about experiments and all you can do is repeat an old Einstein quote about ether. Now realizing that you know of no experiment showing entrained ether and not no ether, you want to shift the discussion to a C-60 slit experiment. You make a claim that standard QM observed results prove your ether theory and I ask for the scientific standard of proof, you ignore it but come up with a Maxwell's Demon type thought experiment.
From: mpc755 on 8 Jan 2010 17:22 On Jan 8, 2:59 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >On Jan 7, 12:00 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > >wrote: > >> mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> >On Jan 6, 8:49 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > >> >wrote: > >> >> mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> >> >On Jan 6, 3:38 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> MM's results indicate either no ether at all or ether entrainment. > >> >> >Aether Displacement and Entrainment it is. > > >> >> You forgot to supply the pointer to the experiment(s) that differentiate > >> >> between aether entrainment and no aether, which indicate that there is, in > >> >> fact, aether entrainment. PD has been asking you for evidence of aether > >> >> entrainment (to the orbit of Uranus), too. > > >> >> Comments by a person aren't an experiment. Even if that person is Einstein. > >> >> (and in particular ones made before QM really got going and supplied more > >> >> evidence that a luminiferous ether is unnecessary) > >> >Evidence like the behaviors of a C-60 molecule in a double slit > >> >experiment? > > >> All evidence I've seen is exactly what QM predicts. And besides, I was > >> talking about an experiment that differentiates between entrained aether > >> and no aether, not what happens in a double slit experiment. So far you > >> haven't presented any such experiment. > > >> >Evidence where the C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the > >> >aether? > > >> No such evidence has been seen. > > >> >You still haven't answered how it is, in QM, a C-60 molecule is > >> >detected exiting a single slit when detectors are placed at the exits > >> >to the slits while the C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). > >> >Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot your answer was, "Because it's a > >> >wave". > > >> Whether you like it or not, QM predicts "things" (photons, electrons, etc) > >> have both particle and wave properties under certain conditions. > > >That is not what I asked you. I am asking you how a C-60 molecule, 60 > >interconnected atoms, can be detected exiting a single slit if > >detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant before the > >C-60 molecule is to exit the slit(s). > >How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > >slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > > Why are you avoiding the issue? You claim MM proves entrained aether, I > said it can't differentiate between no ether and entrained ether. I ask > about experiments and all you can do is repeat an old Einstein quote about > ether. Now realizing that you know of no experiment showing entrained > ether and not no ether, you want to shift the discussion to a C-60 slit > experiment. You make a claim that standard QM observed results prove > your ether theory and I ask for the scientific standard of proof, you > ignore it but come up with a Maxwell's Demon type thought experiment. The C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). The instant before it exits the slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits. The C-60 molecule is detected exiting a single slit. How does this physically occur in QM? In AD, the C-60 molecule ALWAYS exits a single slit. Your refusal to answer my question is evidence I am more correct.
From: Michael Moroney on 8 Jan 2010 18:23 mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >On Jan 8, 2:59 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >> >That is not what I asked you. I am asking you how a C-60 molecule, 60 >> >interconnected atoms, can be detected exiting a single slit if >> >detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant before the >> >C-60 molecule is to exit the slit(s). >> >How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the >> >slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? >> >> Why are you avoiding the issue? You claim MM proves entrained aether, I >> said it can't differentiate between no ether and entrained ether. I ask >> about experiments and all you can do is repeat an old Einstein quote about >> ether. Now realizing that you know of no experiment showing entrained >> ether and not no ether, you want to shift the discussion to a C-60 slit >> experiment. You make a claim that standard QM observed results prove >> your ether theory and I ask for the scientific standard of proof, you >> ignore it but come up with a Maxwell's Demon type thought experiment. >The C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). The instant before it exits the >slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits. This almost certainly violates the HUP, if you do it on a scale small enough so that C-60 molecules diffract from a grating. >Your refusal to answer my question is evidence I am more correct. So I take it from this that your refusal to discuss the alleged evidence of ether entrainment is evidence I am more correct, that there is none. Therefore, aether simply does not exist, or if it does, it has no effects whatsoever on matter or energy.
From: mpc755 on 8 Jan 2010 18:49 On Jan 8, 6:23 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> writes: > >On Jan 8, 2:59 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > >wrote: > >> >That is not what I asked you. I am asking you how a C-60 molecule, 60 > >> >interconnected atoms, can be detected exiting a single slit if > >> >detectors are placed at the exits to the slits the instant before the > >> >C-60 molecule is to exit the slit(s). > >> >How does the C-60 molecule physically go from existing in all of the > >> >slits as a wave, to exiting a single slit? > > >> Why are you avoiding the issue? You claim MM proves entrained aether, I > >> said it can't differentiate between no ether and entrained ether. I ask > >> about experiments and all you can do is repeat an old Einstein quote about > >> ether. Now realizing that you know of no experiment showing entrained > >> ether and not no ether, you want to shift the discussion to a C-60 slit > >> experiment. You make a claim that standard QM observed results prove > >> your ether theory and I ask for the scientific standard of proof, you > >> ignore it but come up with a Maxwell's Demon type thought experiment. > >The C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). The instant before it exits the > >slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits. > > This almost certainly violates the HUP, if you do it on a scale small > enough so that C-60 molecules diffract from a grating. > The photon is on a deterministic path, but it is uncertain to us. > >Your refusal to answer my question is evidence I am more correct. > > So I take it from this that your refusal to discuss the alleged evidence > of ether entrainment is evidence I am more correct, that there is none. > > Therefore, aether simply does not exist, or if it does, it has no effects > whatsoever on matter or energy. If the aether does not push back then there is no aether. 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"
From: Michael Moroney on 8 Jan 2010 19:43
mpc755 <mpc755(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >The C-60 molecule is in the slit(s). The instant before it exits the >> >slit(s) detectors are placed at the exits. >> >> This almost certainly violates the HUP, if you do it on a scale small >> enough so that C-60 molecules diffract from a grating. >> >The photon is on a deterministic path, but it is uncertain to us. According to the HUP, we can never know the position to within hbar/2*delta_P, where delta_P is the uncertainty in the momentum. >> >Your refusal to answer my question is evidence I am more correct. >> >> So I take it from this that your refusal to discuss the alleged evidence >> of ether entrainment is evidence I am more correct, that there is none. >> >> Therefore, aether simply does not exist, or if it does, it has no effects >> whatsoever on matter or energy. >If the aether does not push back then there is no aether. >'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' >http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html >"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is >unthinkable" Read the rest of that paragraph (heck, the whole paper). Esp. the last sentence: "The idea of motion may not be applied to it (ether). |