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From: Joerg on 28 Jul 2010 20:24 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:39:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > > [snip] >> This ought to be _the_ real car, and I believe they make or plan to make >> an electric one: >> >> http://www.examiner.com/x-29213-Honda-and-Acura-Examiner~y2010m3d15-The-upcoming-Mercedes-AMG-SLS-GullWing-Coupe-is-a-unique-return-to-form >> >> AFAIK the electric one takes 4sec from 0-60mph while the gasoline >> version is a couple hundred msec zippier. > > Actually that's surprising... DC motors have low-speed torque out the > kazoo. > > As electric vehicles get tweaked-up I expect them to beat > gasoline-powered... at least off-the-line. > The torque is just the problem. AFAIK some electric vehicles had to be throttled down a bit. Even the Tesla supposedly "ate" transmissions early on. I guess delivering the juice to the motor also has its limits. > I don't know if any of you recognize the name, Glen Madland? He > founded ICE (Integrated Circuit Engineering) along with Howard Dicken. > I was the ghost writer of all the training courses (at night, daytime > at Moto). > > Glen and his son used to make dragsters using around 100V worth of > lead acid and starter motors ;-) > > So fast off-the-line they had to use helmet straps to prevent broken > necks ;-) > Even the builders of electric vehicles aren't immune to the acceleration surprise, see 2nd half: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o15EALghp0 -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 28 Jul 2010 20:26 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:24:29 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:39:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> [snip] >>> This ought to be _the_ real car, and I believe they make or plan to make >>> an electric one: >>> >>> http://www.examiner.com/x-29213-Honda-and-Acura-Examiner~y2010m3d15-The-upcoming-Mercedes-AMG-SLS-GullWing-Coupe-is-a-unique-return-to-form >>> >>> AFAIK the electric one takes 4sec from 0-60mph while the gasoline >>> version is a couple hundred msec zippier. >> >> Actually that's surprising... DC motors have low-speed torque out the >> kazoo. >> >> As electric vehicles get tweaked-up I expect them to beat >> gasoline-powered... at least off-the-line. >> > >The torque is just the problem. AFAIK some electric vehicles had to be >throttled down a bit. Even the Tesla supposedly "ate" transmissions >early on. > >I guess delivering the juice to the motor also has its limits. > > >> I don't know if any of you recognize the name, Glen Madland? He >> founded ICE (Integrated Circuit Engineering) along with Howard Dicken. >> I was the ghost writer of all the training courses (at night, daytime >> at Moto). >> >> Glen and his son used to make dragsters using around 100V worth of >> lead acid and starter motors ;-) >> >> So fast off-the-line they had to use helmet straps to prevent broken >> necks ;-) >> > >Even the builders of electric vehicles aren't immune to the acceleration >surprise, see 2nd half: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o15EALghp0 Glen and son replaced starter motors after each "sprint" :-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: krw on 28 Jul 2010 20:27 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:14:54 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:15:18 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:55:05 -0700, John Larkin >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:46:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:39:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:09:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:26:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:33:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had trouble with anodizing flaking off. Maybe you got E. German >>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum. ;-) I think I still have my transmitter and last time I checked >>>>>>>>>>>>> (when we moved - '08) the panel was still in good shape. I used Letra-Set on >>>>>>>>>>>>> that, too, with DataKote (?) sprayed over it. I built the transmitter in '66. >>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't the anodizing that flaked off but the spray coating lifting >>>>>>>>>>> >from the anodized surface. Worst case where a letter or number was. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Never had that problem with DataKote, unless it was damaged (scratched). >>>>>>>>>> In Europe there was no DataKote, and I think it's been discontinued here >>>>>>>>>> as well. So I had to make do with whatever was in the budget. And that >>>>>>>>>> wasn't always much. I remember that I applied the clear coat on my regen >>>>>>>>>> receiver from a bottle, using a brush. Afterwards I was a bit >>>>>>>>>> disappointed but got used to the uneven look, actually started liking >>>>>>>>>> it. Nowadays it's all the rage and called faux painting :-) >>>>>>>>> Apparently it has, recently. I've seen it in the last ten years, or so, but a >>>>>>>>> web search brings up nothing. I'm not much for faux painting, "woodtone", or >>>>>>>>> "antiquing", either. ;-) >>>>>>>> It depends. Last week I stayed in a hotel in Mountain View where faux >>>>>>>> painting was done so well that it made you feel like you were in a >>>>>>>> mediterranean resort. The weird thing is they combined that with modern >>>>>>>> furniture, could have been Art Deco, don't know this stuff, but it >>>>>>>> looked really cool. Great place, and one of the best (free) breakfasts I >>>>>>>> ever had. It's this one: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.hotelzico.com/ >>>>>>> Nice! How much $ ?? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Regular around $130/night. Keep in mind it's right next to a freeway but >>>>>> that didn't bother me. >>>>>> >>>>>> The client engineer I traveled with has this habit of booking everything >>>>>> last minute on hotwire.com. You select how many stars and click on >>>>>> "book", without knowing which hotel and exactly where. Once the bid is >>>>>> booked you are told hotel and location. This got us two rooms at the >>>>>> Zico for $50 each. Fifty! Oh, and on top of that he also booked the car >>>>>> via that and landed us a Ford Mustang. Yeehaw! >>>>> >>>>> Mo and I rented a red Mustang convertible, by accident, in western >>>>> Massachusetts. Horrible car. The top was a nightmare to get up and >>>>> down, the ersatz 60's round chrome instruments were unreadable, and >>>>> the turn signal sound was a loud, poorly synthesized fake of an old >>>>> fashioned thermal plink-plonk thing. It did look sporty. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Ours was actually really cool. The 60's chrome instruments are still >>>>there but with large numbers and very readable. The car had mood >>>>lighting and you could change the color. Heck, even the pedal area was >>>>lit for whatever reason. The turn signal sounded like a real relay, or >>>>maybe I fell for an improved synthesized plink-plonk :-) >>>> >>>>It did have lots of gusto. However, it is definitely a car for no more >>>>than two occupants, the rear bench space is pathetic and we did not have >>>>a convertible. >>> >>>Hey, here it is: >>> >>>ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Mustang.jpg >>> >>Send it to my wife. She wants one just like that. Well, a charcoal interior >>and top would be better. > >No, get her a *real* car > >ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/A3a.jpg > >4wd, 150+ MPH, room in the back for the dog, and just as red. I'll get her what she wants. It *won't* be an Audi.
From: krw on 28 Jul 2010 20:30 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:06:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:48:53 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:46:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:39:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:09:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:26:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:33:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had trouble with anodizing flaking off. Maybe you got E. German >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum. ;-) I think I still have my transmitter and last time I checked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (when we moved - '08) the panel was still in good shape. I used Letra-Set on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, too, with DataKote (?) sprayed over it. I built the transmitter in '66. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't the anodizing that flaked off but the spray coating lifting >>>>>>>>>>>> >from the anodized surface. Worst case where a letter or number was. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Never had that problem with DataKote, unless it was damaged (scratched). >>>>>>>>>>> In Europe there was no DataKote, and I think it's been discontinued here >>>>>>>>>>> as well. So I had to make do with whatever was in the budget. And that >>>>>>>>>>> wasn't always much. I remember that I applied the clear coat on my regen >>>>>>>>>>> receiver from a bottle, using a brush. Afterwards I was a bit >>>>>>>>>>> disappointed but got used to the uneven look, actually started liking >>>>>>>>>>> it. Nowadays it's all the rage and called faux painting :-) >>>>>>>>>> Apparently it has, recently. I've seen it in the last ten years, or so, but a >>>>>>>>>> web search brings up nothing. I'm not much for faux painting, "woodtone", or >>>>>>>>>> "antiquing", either. ;-) >>>>>>>>> It depends. Last week I stayed in a hotel in Mountain View where faux >>>>>>>>> painting was done so well that it made you feel like you were in a >>>>>>>>> mediterranean resort. The weird thing is they combined that with modern >>>>>>>>> furniture, could have been Art Deco, don't know this stuff, but it >>>>>>>>> looked really cool. Great place, and one of the best (free) breakfasts I >>>>>>>>> ever had. It's this one: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.hotelzico.com/ >>>>>>>> Nice! How much $ ?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regular around $130/night. Keep in mind it's right next to a freeway but >>>>>>> that didn't bother me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The client engineer I traveled with has this habit of booking everything >>>>>>> last minute on hotwire.com. You select how many stars and click on >>>>>>> "book", without knowing which hotel and exactly where. Once the bid is >>>>>>> booked you are told hotel and location. This got us two rooms at the >>>>>>> Zico for $50 each. Fifty! Oh, and on top of that he also booked the car >>>>>>> via that and landed us a Ford Mustang. Yeehaw! >>>>>> Mo and I rented a red Mustang convertible, by accident, in western >>>>>> Massachusetts. Horrible car. The top was a nightmare to get up and >>>>>> down, the ersatz 60's round chrome instruments were unreadable, and >>>>>> the turn signal sound was a loud, poorly synthesized fake of an old >>>>>> fashioned thermal plink-plonk thing. It did look sporty. >>>>>> >>>>> Ours was actually really cool. The 60's chrome instruments are still >>>>> there but with large numbers and very readable. The car had mood >>>>> lighting and you could change the color. Heck, even the pedal area was >>>>> lit for whatever reason. The turn signal sounded like a real relay, or >>>>> maybe I fell for an improved synthesized plink-plonk :-) >>>>> >>>>> It did have lots of gusto. However, it is definitely a car for no more >>>>> than two occupants, the rear bench space is pathetic and we did not have >>>>> a convertible. >>>> Hey, here it is: >>>> >>>> ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Mustang.jpg >>>> >>> Nice. They changed the outside design a wee bit. Of course, the real >>> thing would be the one with the V8 in there but those are hard to find. >> >> ??? >> >> All the GTs are V8s (three of five models). > > >Very few GTs at the rental places and then they usually charge a hefty >premium on those. Probably because people renting them get that Mario >Andretti rush the millisecond the are behind the wheel. Ah, *rentals*. I thought it was perhaps a Kalifornica thing.
From: Joerg on 28 Jul 2010 20:37
krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:06:20 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:48:53 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:46:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:39:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:09:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:26:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:33:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had trouble with anodizing flaking off. Maybe you got E. German >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aluminum. ;-) I think I still have my transmitter and last time I checked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (when we moved - '08) the panel was still in good shape. I used Letra-Set on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, too, with DataKote (?) sprayed over it. I built the transmitter in '66. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't the anodizing that flaked off but the spray coating lifting >>>>>>>>>>>>> >from the anodized surface. Worst case where a letter or number was. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Never had that problem with DataKote, unless it was damaged (scratched). >>>>>>>>>>>> In Europe there was no DataKote, and I think it's been discontinued here >>>>>>>>>>>> as well. So I had to make do with whatever was in the budget. And that >>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't always much. I remember that I applied the clear coat on my regen >>>>>>>>>>>> receiver from a bottle, using a brush. Afterwards I was a bit >>>>>>>>>>>> disappointed but got used to the uneven look, actually started liking >>>>>>>>>>>> it. Nowadays it's all the rage and called faux painting :-) >>>>>>>>>>> Apparently it has, recently. I've seen it in the last ten years, or so, but a >>>>>>>>>>> web search brings up nothing. I'm not much for faux painting, "woodtone", or >>>>>>>>>>> "antiquing", either. ;-) >>>>>>>>>> It depends. Last week I stayed in a hotel in Mountain View where faux >>>>>>>>>> painting was done so well that it made you feel like you were in a >>>>>>>>>> mediterranean resort. The weird thing is they combined that with modern >>>>>>>>>> furniture, could have been Art Deco, don't know this stuff, but it >>>>>>>>>> looked really cool. Great place, and one of the best (free) breakfasts I >>>>>>>>>> ever had. It's this one: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.hotelzico.com/ >>>>>>>>> Nice! How much $ ?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regular around $130/night. Keep in mind it's right next to a freeway but >>>>>>>> that didn't bother me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The client engineer I traveled with has this habit of booking everything >>>>>>>> last minute on hotwire.com. You select how many stars and click on >>>>>>>> "book", without knowing which hotel and exactly where. Once the bid is >>>>>>>> booked you are told hotel and location. This got us two rooms at the >>>>>>>> Zico for $50 each. Fifty! Oh, and on top of that he also booked the car >>>>>>>> via that and landed us a Ford Mustang. Yeehaw! >>>>>>> Mo and I rented a red Mustang convertible, by accident, in western >>>>>>> Massachusetts. Horrible car. The top was a nightmare to get up and >>>>>>> down, the ersatz 60's round chrome instruments were unreadable, and >>>>>>> the turn signal sound was a loud, poorly synthesized fake of an old >>>>>>> fashioned thermal plink-plonk thing. It did look sporty. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ours was actually really cool. The 60's chrome instruments are still >>>>>> there but with large numbers and very readable. The car had mood >>>>>> lighting and you could change the color. Heck, even the pedal area was >>>>>> lit for whatever reason. The turn signal sounded like a real relay, or >>>>>> maybe I fell for an improved synthesized plink-plonk :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> It did have lots of gusto. However, it is definitely a car for no more >>>>>> than two occupants, the rear bench space is pathetic and we did not have >>>>>> a convertible. >>>>> Hey, here it is: >>>>> >>>>> ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Mustang.jpg >>>>> >>>> Nice. They changed the outside design a wee bit. Of course, the real >>>> thing would be the one with the V8 in there but those are hard to find. >>> ??? >>> >>> All the GTs are V8s (three of five models). >> >> Very few GTs at the rental places and then they usually charge a hefty >> premium on those. Probably because people renting them get that Mario >> Andretti rush the millisecond the are behind the wheel. > > Ah, *rentals*. I thought it was perhaps a Kalifornica thing. No, California is actually pretty free WRT cars. Ok, Diesels and smog and all that, that's tough. But other than that you can get just about anything registered. A friend built himself a Cobra with an Edelbrock racing engine in there. It sounds like 10 Harleys together and when he steps on it all the leaves on the ground are gone. He took me on a brief tour and that thing really rocks. Don't ask about the gas mileage ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |