From: unruh on
On 2010-05-21, Mike Jones <luck(a)dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to jens:
>
>> On 05/21/2010 01:29 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
>>> Responding to jens:
>>>
>>>> On 05/20/2010 02:10 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, here we go...
>>>>>
>>>>> Insert "Side of the Dark Moon" original CD
>>>>>
>>>>> #> cdparanoia -d /dev/cdrom 1- data.wav #> cdrdao read-toc --device
>>>>> /dev/cdrom data.toc
>>>>>
>>>>> Switch disks (fresh CD-RW)
>>>>>
>>>>> #> cdrdao write --device /dev/cdrom data.toc
>>>>>
>>>>> Wuhoo! A clone CD!
>>>>>
>>>>> Testing...
>>>>>
>>>>> Extra gaps in Audacious, shorter gaps with mplayer, gaps in Xine.
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for trying it out.
>>>>
>>>> I happen to own Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon. I just created a
>>>> copy of the original CD using the commands I recommended, using my 5
>>>> year old Think Pad R51 laptop. Put the copy in my 20 year old Sony CD
>>>> player: no gap between song 1 and 2.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe its your hardware, maybe Audacious / mplayer are more picky than
>>>> my CD player, I don't know. If you'd like me to try something with
>>>> mplayer and my burned copy, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Jens
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I tried some of the suggestions so far on another machine, and
>>> got the same problems. Curious thing was, I got shorter gaps using Xine
>>> over Audacious.
>>>
>>>
>> What happens when you use cdda-player to play your copy? Maybe it's a
>> bug in Xine Audacious that's biting you; cdda-player plays my copy just
>> fine.
>>
>> Jens
>
>
> As I've mentioned elsewhere, the original CD's play fine.
>
> Something is not doing a clone, its doing a reset.

That's it, I'm out of here. People make suggestions and you refuse to
follow them thinking that you know the answer. If you do why are you
asking for help? Why do we care if the original plays fine. The question
is about your copy. We are trying to find out if it is the playing
software or the copying software that is the problem. DO THE EXPERIMENT
and quit thinking you know how it is going to turn out, or stop asking
for help.

>
From: Mike Jones on
Responding to unruh:

> On 2010-05-21, Mike Jones <luck(a)dasteem.invalid> wrote:
>> Responding to jens:
>>
>>> On 05/21/2010 01:29 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
>>>> Responding to jens:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/20/2010 02:10 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, here we go...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Insert "Side of the Dark Moon" original CD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #> cdparanoia -d /dev/cdrom 1- data.wav #> cdrdao read-toc --device
>>>>>> /dev/cdrom data.toc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Switch disks (fresh CD-RW)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #> cdrdao write --device /dev/cdrom data.toc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wuhoo! A clone CD!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Testing...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Extra gaps in Audacious, shorter gaps with mplayer, gaps in Xine.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for trying it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I happen to own Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon. I just created a
>>>>> copy of the original CD using the commands I recommended, using my 5
>>>>> year old Think Pad R51 laptop. Put the copy in my 20 year old Sony
>>>>> CD player: no gap between song 1 and 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe its your hardware, maybe Audacious / mplayer are more picky
>>>>> than my CD player, I don't know. If you'd like me to try something
>>>>> with mplayer and my burned copy, let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I tried some of the suggestions so far on another machine, and
>>>> got the same problems. Curious thing was, I got shorter gaps using
>>>> Xine over Audacious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What happens when you use cdda-player to play your copy? Maybe it's a
>>> bug in Xine Audacious that's biting you; cdda-player plays my copy
>>> just fine.
>>>
>>> Jens
>>
>>
>> As I've mentioned elsewhere, the original CD's play fine.
>>
>> Something is not doing a clone, its doing a reset.
>
> That's it, I'm out of here. People make suggestions and you refuse to
> follow them thinking that you know the answer. If you do why are you
> asking for help? Why do we care if the original plays fine. The question
> is about your copy. We are trying to find out if it is the playing
> software or the copying software that is the problem. DO THE EXPERIMENT
> and quit thinking you know how it is going to turn out, or stop asking
> for help.
>
>


Er, dude? Whasssup wit you?

I've tried everything suggested so far, and got the same problem each
time, except for the suggestions that plain bombed out as they weren't
complete commands, which I asked about, and got no response to.

And surely, if the original plays ok, and the copy doesn't, SOMETHING HAS
CHANGED! Duh?

So, I have two choices ATM. Glue files together to prevent gaps, or
continue trying to figure out why some people seem to be creating
functioning duplicates, and I don't.

Leave out the angry stuff and you might see that happening, ok?

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From: jr4412 on
> I've tried everything suggested so far, and got the same problem each
> time, except for the suggestions that plain bombed out as they weren't
> complete commands, which I asked about, and got no response to.

cdrecord/cdda2wav didn't work for you??

what is your *exact* h/ware & s/ware setup?
From: Mike Jones on
Responding to jr4412:

>> I've tried everything suggested so far, and got the same problem each
>> time, except for the suggestions that plain bombed out as they weren't
>> complete commands, which I asked about, and got no response to.
>
> cdrecord/cdda2wav didn't work for you??
>
> what is your *exact* h/ware & s/ware setup?


Slackware 12.2, mplayer, audacious, xine, cdrecord, cdrdao, cdda2wav

A slightly fried MOBO + DC AMD Athlon CPU (got the same problems on a new
machine too though) SATA HDD, 2Gb RAM, so not a resource problem.

Not sure about the DVD\CD trays though. Panasonic DVD RW and a Lite-on CD
RW unit.

Still doesn't explain why the copies are not clones though.

What would be neat is if somebody did what I'm trying to do, and posted
up EXACTLY what they did, command by command, to get gap-less clone-
reproduction a la original.

It'd be useful if somebody else also had the same problem. :(

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From: jr4412 on
hi Mike,

I have a similar setup (ie. slackware 12.0 with custom kernel, a DVD
and a CD (writer) drive), Joerg Schilling's s/ware works for me.

I followed the procedure outlined in the cdrecord man page (from line
991 in this, old version) where it says:

"To copy an audio CD from a pipe (without intermediate files).."

as root cd into an empty directory, after the initial cdda2wav command
you'll find 9 .inf files have been created and you're set to do the
actual copy (ie the cdda2wav | cdrecord sequence).

as I said, worked for me, listened to the copy before writing this
reply.

good luck.