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From: Bill Sloman on 6 Jul 2010 06:49 On Jul 6, 3:21 am, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > Bill Sloman wrote: > > On Jul 5, 4:28 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > >> On Jul 4, 7:21 pm, John Larkin > > >> <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1f011f36-87ae-11df-9f37-00144feabdc0.html > >>> It appears that the Germans, at least, appreciate where they are on > >>> the Laffer curve. > >>> John > >> "The stronger-than-expected growth and falls in unemployment were > >> making it significantly easier for Germany to reduce its public sector > >> deficit." > > >> We'd be bouncing back too but for Obama. Even flat on its back, our > >> economy would be trying to sit up if Big Bro wasn't busy holding it > >> down. It was and is weakly trying, but he just won't let it. > > > It isn't Obama who shipped great swathes of American manufacturing > > industry off to China and Mexico. Germany is doing well because it > > does manufacturing better than anybody else. > > Then why are they producing cars like the VW Sports Wagon in Mexiko? Probably because Mexico and the US have signed a free trade agreement. > And > why are engineers over there complaining that many get kicked out around > age 45 because they are "too old"? The Dutch disease must be contagious. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Joerg on 6 Jul 2010 09:48 Bill Sloman wrote: > On Jul 6, 3:21 am, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Bill Sloman wrote: >>> On Jul 5, 4:28 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: >>>> On Jul 4, 7:21 pm, John Larkin >>>> <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1f011f36-87ae-11df-9f37-00144feabdc0.html >>>>> It appears that the Germans, at least, appreciate where they are on >>>>> the Laffer curve. >>>>> John >>>> "The stronger-than-expected growth and falls in unemployment were >>>> making it significantly easier for Germany to reduce its public sector >>>> deficit." >>>> We'd be bouncing back too but for Obama. Even flat on its back, our >>>> economy would be trying to sit up if Big Bro wasn't busy holding it >>>> down. It was and is weakly trying, but he just won't let it. >>> It isn't Obama who shipped great swathes of American manufacturing >>> industry off to China and Mexico. Germany is doing well because it >>> does manufacturing better than anybody else. >> Then why are they producing cars like the VW Sports Wagon in Mexiko? > > Probably because Mexico and the US have signed a free trade agreement. > No, they ship most of them to Europe. These aren't sold in very large quantities over here. I believe they are called Golf Kombi in Germany. >> And >> why are engineers over there complaining that many get kicked out around >> age 45 because they are "too old"? > > The Dutch disease must be contagious. > It's stupid. At most of my clients the average age of engineers is well over 40, for good reasons. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Larkin on 6 Jul 2010 10:00 On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:21:42 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Bill Sloman wrote: >> On Jul 5, 4:28 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: >>> On Jul 4, 7:21 pm, John Larkin >>> >>> <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1f011f36-87ae-11df-9f37-00144feabdc0.html >>>> It appears that the Germans, at least, appreciate where they are on >>>> the Laffer curve. >>>> John >>> "The stronger-than-expected growth and falls in unemployment were >>> making it significantly easier for Germany to reduce its public sector >>> deficit." >>> >>> We'd be bouncing back too but for Obama. Even flat on its back, our >>> economy would be trying to sit up if Big Bro wasn't busy holding it >>> down. It was and is weakly trying, but he just won't let it. >> >> It isn't Obama who shipped great swathes of American manufacturing >> industry off to China and Mexico. Germany is doing well because it >> does manufacturing better than anybody else. >> > >Then why are they producing cars like the VW Sports Wagon in Mexiko? My Golf and Rabbit were built in Mexico. The drive trains were OK, probably made in Germany, but the body work was flakey, lots of rattles and such, and the door locks were horrible junk. Actually, the Golf did have a couple of transmission problems. I drive an Audi now, sound mechanics, but the firmware is a nightmare. The best-quality cars in the world are Japanese, but aren't as fun to drive as German cars. And >why are engineers over there complaining that many get kicked out around >age 45 because they are "too old"? That "creates jobs." John
From: Joerg on 6 Jul 2010 10:39 John Larkin wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:21:42 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Bill Sloman wrote: >>> On Jul 5, 4:28 pm, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: >>>> On Jul 4, 7:21 pm, John Larkin >>>> >>>> <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1f011f36-87ae-11df-9f37-00144feabdc0.html >>>>> It appears that the Germans, at least, appreciate where they are on >>>>> the Laffer curve. >>>>> John >>>> "The stronger-than-expected growth and falls in unemployment were >>>> making it significantly easier for Germany to reduce its public sector >>>> deficit." >>>> >>>> We'd be bouncing back too but for Obama. Even flat on its back, our >>>> economy would be trying to sit up if Big Bro wasn't busy holding it >>>> down. It was and is weakly trying, but he just won't let it. >>> It isn't Obama who shipped great swathes of American manufacturing >>> industry off to China and Mexico. Germany is doing well because it >>> does manufacturing better than anybody else. >>> >> Then why are they producing cars like the VW Sports Wagon in Mexiko? > > My Golf and Rabbit were built in Mexico. The drive trains were OK, > probably made in Germany, but the body work was flakey, lots of > rattles and such, and the door locks were horrible junk. Actually, the > Golf did have a couple of transmission problems. > Sad. I haven't heard such complaints from Germans even though theirs were built in Mexiko as well. But I do remember an outsource attempt for a client way back when, where we thought that south of the border would be closer than Asia. We learned our lessons rather quickly and took it to China. > I drive an Audi now, sound mechanics, but the firmware is a nightmare. > Car + firmware + lot of electronics, not so good. I had a huge Audi station wagon in Germany, very little in electronics. That was always good to me and now at age 23+ it's still going strong. I know the new owner very well. > The best-quality cars in the world are Japanese, but aren't as fun to > drive as German cars. > Yup, got tow JPN cars. Reliable but more run-of-the-mills. The Nissan ZX'es or a Mitsubishi 3000GT ought to be fun though. Or a Kawasaki :-) > And >> why are engineers over there complaining that many get kicked out around >> age 45 because they are "too old"? > > That "creates jobs." > Yeah, it does. Over here (seriously). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Larkin on 6 Jul 2010 10:54
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 07:25:39 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com wrote: >On Jul 6, 7:37 am, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> On Jul 6, 6:53 am, dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com wrote: >> > Bill Sloman <bill.slo...(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >> > So, implicitly, as of 1937 Roosevelt's first and second stimulus >> > packages (aka The New Deal) still hadn't worked, right? >> >> They had worked, and had gotten unemployment down from 25% to 9%. In >> 1937 - in a premature fit of "fiscal responsiblity" the residual >> stimulus was stopped - too early - and unemployment went back up to >> 17%. > >Nope, but here's a nice picture for you: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#Origins > >> > The fact is >> > that government has no ability to create jobs. Not then, not now. >> >> Palpable nonsense. Since you acknowledge that it has the ability to >> destroy them you should be able to understand that it also has the >> capabliity to create them, > >"Ability to destroy" does not imply ability to create. That a >teenager can wreck you car proves he can make them? That's dumb. There's the time factor, too: things take a long time to build, but they can be destroyed essentially instantly. Jobs, businesses, productive infrastructures, even if set free, will take a generation to grow back. The US electorate hasn't that sort of patience, so we get idiotic macroeconomic things like "stimulus", the equivalent of shooting speed into your arm instead of exercizing and eating your broccoli. John |