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From: Hammy on 29 Apr 2010 13:26 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:27:38 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>I think a couple million grunts would disagree with you. > >I think you're wrong. AMC and JEEP went downhill long before Chrysler bought >them out. Chrysler certainly didn't do them any favors, nor verse visa. Every large company goes through quality or just plain sloppy design practices. One case in point is Toyota now. They have all had years when its bad to purchase their products because of known issues. I wouldn't buy a Toyota now unless they knocked about 50% off the sticker. Not that they are any worse then any of the other manufactures, but I guarantee when you try to sell that Toyota 5 years down the road you will get peanuts because of all the publicity. >>It depends on your personal experience mine has been good. I defiantly >>got my money out of it. The same could be said for Johnson a lot of people swear by them and they are known for quality outboards but I wouldn't buy one made during 2000- 05 or so. This was when they were bouncing around between ownerships and the quality of their outboards suffered. My boat came with a Johnson (purchased new off a dealer) after two years of problems I sold the outboard and bought a Mercury no more problems.Fires up first crank every year.
From: Hammy on 29 Apr 2010 13:33 On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:26:34 -0400, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: >On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:27:38 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > > >>> >>>I think a couple million grunts would disagree with you. >> >>I think you're wrong. AMC and JEEP went downhill long before Chrysler bought >>them out. Chrysler certainly didn't do them any favors, nor verse visa. > >Every large company goes through quality or just plain sloppy design >practices. One case in point is Toyota now. > >They have all had years when its bad to purchase their products >because of known issues. I wouldn't buy a Toyota now unless they >knocked about 50% off the sticker. Not that they are any worse then >any of the other manufactures, but I guarantee when you try to sell >that Toyota 5 years down the road you will get peanuts because of all >the publicity. > >>>It depends on your personal experience mine has been good. I defiantly >>>got my money out of it. > >The same could be said for Johnson a lot of people swear by them and >they are known for quality outboards but I wouldn't buy one made >during 2000- 05 or so. This was when they were bouncing around between >ownerships and the quality of their outboards suffered. My boat came >with a Johnson (purchased new off a dealer) after two years of >problems I sold the outboard and bought a Mercury no more >problems.Fires up first crank every year. I should add to make my point about resale value being affected by known issues and negative publicity for model years. When I went to dealers they all knew of the problems Johnson was having with their outboards and offered me peanuts for a two year old 90hp because of it. Even through private resale I eat a couple grand on that;-) Toyota owners can expect the same.
From: Bill Sloman on 29 Apr 2010 17:08 On Apr 28, 6:00 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100428/D9FC0ES80.html > > Europe has an interesting dynamic. Multiple countries share a > currency. So if one country, especially a small one, decides to spend > more than they have, the other, presumably more prudent countries, > wind up paying for it. The United states of America has a similar system - each of the 51 states share a common currency, the US dollar. <snipped the rest> -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: krw on 29 Apr 2010 19:20 On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:33:22 -0400, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: >On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:26:34 -0400, Hammy <spam(a)spam.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:27:38 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" >><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >> >>>> >>>>I think a couple million grunts would disagree with you. >>> >>>I think you're wrong. AMC and JEEP went downhill long before Chrysler bought >>>them out. Chrysler certainly didn't do them any favors, nor verse visa. >> >>Every large company goes through quality or just plain sloppy design >>practices. One case in point is Toyota now. >> >>They have all had years when its bad to purchase their products >>because of known issues. I wouldn't buy a Toyota now unless they >>knocked about 50% off the sticker. Not that they are any worse then >>any of the other manufactures, but I guarantee when you try to sell >>that Toyota 5 years down the road you will get peanuts because of all >>the publicity. >> >>>>It depends on your personal experience mine has been good. I defiantly >>>>got my money out of it. >> >>The same could be said for Johnson a lot of people swear by them and >>they are known for quality outboards but I wouldn't buy one made >>during 2000- 05 or so. This was when they were bouncing around between >>ownerships and the quality of their outboards suffered. My boat came >>with a Johnson (purchased new off a dealer) after two years of >>problems I sold the outboard and bought a Mercury no more >>problems.Fires up first crank every year. > >I should add to make my point about resale value being affected by >known issues and negative publicity for model years. When I went to >dealers they all knew of the problems Johnson was having with their >outboards and offered me peanuts for a two year old 90hp because of >it. > >Even through private resale I eat a couple grand on that;-) > >Toyota owners can expect the same. Good time to buy one, then.
From: krw on 29 Apr 2010 19:21
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:23:12 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 28/04/2010 17:00, John Larkin wrote: >> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100428/D9FC0ES80.html >> >> Europe has an interesting dynamic. Multiple countries share a >> currency. So if one country, especially a small one, decides to spend >> more than they have, the other, presumably more prudent countries, >> wind up paying for it. >> >> In a single country with a single currency like the US, if we spend >> more than we have, we'll print money to cover it, and everybody in all >> the 50 states shares in the resulting inflation. >> >> Europe has national deficit rules to prevent excess inflation of the >> euro, but they aren't followed very well. Everybody has the incentive >> to cheat. >> >> Yikes! First Greece, then Portugal, and just now Spain! >> >> A 2-year Greek bond yields 23% > >The end result is going to be either that Greece leaves the Euro or they >are going to be forced to make savage cuts to their public spending. That's going to have to happen in any case. FWIG, they make our teacher's unions and school boards look like absolute pikers. |