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From: mark on 8 Sep 2009 16:05
On Sep 8, 8:37 pm, Dennis Ferguson <dcfergu...(a)pacbell.net> wrote:
> On 2009-09-08, Jono <notha...(a)blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
>
> > on 08/09/2009, Bob Eager supposed :
> >> You missed it....
>
> >>  http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15391
>
> >> Might or might not be suitable but take another look...there may be more.
>
> > Do they not require a licence in the UK? (and only the mobile phone
> > companies can apply?)
>
> Do mobile phones require individual licences in the UK, or do
> they just need type approval with their use being otherwise
> covered by the carriers' spectrum licences?  Am I doing
> something wrong by using phones I bought in Hong Kong?
>
> The use of the spectrum by a repeater really isn't all
> that different than use of the spectrum by a mobile phone,
> so I would think that using the repeater legally should
> not require anything beyond what you need to do to use a
> mobile phone legally.  I do think the spectrum licence
> holder has the right to object to your use of any particular
> kind of equipment in their spectrum, but if the man goes
> to the trouble of buying equipment and installing and
> cabling an outdoor antenna to improve the crappy service
> at his house to the point where he can use it, would the
> carrier really tell him he can't do that and needs to
> live with their crappy service the way it is instead?
>
> Dennis Ferguson

I guess from a simplistic point of view handsets adhere to strict
power control guidelines. So long as the repeaters do the same then I
assume that there will not be an issue.

Cheers,
Mark
From: Jono on 8 Sep 2009 16:43
After serious thinking mark wrote :

> To my mind data over femtocell is dubious as the subscriber is paying
> already for a DSL connection so why would the subscriber want to pay
> additonal charges for data over femotcell to Vodafone.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark

Push email? in the absence of WiFi, of course.


From: Chris Blunt on 8 Sep 2009 18:08
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), mark <marpate2(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 8, 8:37�pm, Dennis Ferguson <dcfergu...(a)pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On 2009-09-08, Jono <notha...(a)blueyonder.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > on 08/09/2009, Bob Eager supposed :
>> >> You missed it....
>>
>> >> �http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15391
>>
>> >> Might or might not be suitable but take another look...there may be more.
>>
>> > Do they not require a licence in the UK? (and only the mobile phone
>> > companies can apply?)
>>
>> Do mobile phones require individual licences in the UK, or do
>> they just need type approval with their use being otherwise
>> covered by the carriers' spectrum licences? �Am I doing
>> something wrong by using phones I bought in Hong Kong?
>>
>> The use of the spectrum by a repeater really isn't all
>> that different than use of the spectrum by a mobile phone,
>> so I would think that using the repeater legally should
>> not require anything beyond what you need to do to use a
>> mobile phone legally. �I do think the spectrum licence
>> holder has the right to object to your use of any particular
>> kind of equipment in their spectrum, but if the man goes
>> to the trouble of buying equipment and installing and
>> cabling an outdoor antenna to improve the crappy service
>> at his house to the point where he can use it, would the
>> carrier really tell him he can't do that and needs to
>> live with their crappy service the way it is instead?
>>
>> Dennis Ferguson
>
>I guess from a simplistic point of view handsets adhere to strict
>power control guidelines. So long as the repeaters do the same then I
>assume that there will not be an issue.

But it is an issue because they're illegal.

Mobile phones are covered by a general exemption to the Wireless
Telegraphy Act because they operate in a very specific way. Repeaters
perform a completely different function which is outside the scope of
the exemption and are therefore illegal.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/enforcement/jammers/

Chris
From: Jono on 9 Sep 2009 02:57
Rupert Moss-Eccardt brought next idea :
> Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:37:24 +0100, Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>
>>>> Get over to DealExtreme and buy a home mobile repeater system. One
>>>> aerial outside, one in the house. Two way boost for your mobile. Or
>>>> you could make your own passive repeater with nothing more than two
>>>> aerials and coax.
>>> DealExtreme.co.uk seems off-air at the moment and .com doesn't seem to
>>> have such things. Any hints of elsewhere?
>>
>> You missed it....
>>
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15391
>>
>> Might or might not be suitable but take another look...there may be more.
>
> Ah thanks!
>
> Didn't think to search for amplifier.

I'll stick with the Femtocell:

"Repeater devices transmit or re-transmit in the cellular frequency
bands. Only the mobile network operators are licensed to use equipment
that transmits in these bands. Installation or use of repeater devices
by anyone without a licence is a criminal offence under Section 8 of
the WT Act 2006. Any person found guilty of installing or using such
devices without a licence would be liable on conviction to a fine of up
to £5000 and/or up to 51 weeks' imprisonment (Six months in Scotland
and Northern Ireland)"

From the link
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/enforcement/jammers/ provided by
Chris Blunt in another post.


From: mark on 9 Sep 2009 03:27
On Sep 8, 11:08 pm, Chris Blunt <m...(a)nospam.com> wrote:
> But it is an issue because they're illegal.
>
> Mobile phones are covered by a general exemption to the Wireless
> Telegraphy Act because they operate in a very specific way. Repeaters
> perform a completely different function which is outside the scope of
> the exemption and are therefore illegal.
>
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/enforcement/jammers/
>
> Chris

Well that pretty much closes the arument then :)

Cheers,
Mark
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