From: ZnU on
In article <slrnhr76mh.qv0.jedi(a)nomad.mishnet>,
JEDIDIAH <jedi(a)nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2010-03-30, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In article <Jbvsn.33511$EE6.23290(a)newsfe23.iad>,
> > "Mocassin joe" <joemocasanto(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They just work?? Intuitive??
> >>
> >> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/24584/
> >>
> >> Apple is promising free setup services for customers who purchase an iPad
> >> at
> >> one of its retail stores," Paul McDougall reports for InformationWeek.
> >> "The
> >> services includes e-mail configuration, application loading, 'and more,'
> >> Apple said Monday."
> >>
> >> "The iPad is slated to be in Apple retail stores and available for online
> >> purchase starting Saturday [April 3rd]," McDougall reports. "In addition
> >> to
> >> setup services, the stores will offer iPad 'workshops' to help users learn
> >> more about the tablet-style computing device, which combines the functions
> >> of a notebook, e-reader, and portable video and music player."
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > In your world, because something is offered as an incentive it must be
> > indispensable...
>
> There isn't much marketing value to offering something that's useless.
>
> You can go into an Apple store for yourself and see the rubes being
> taught how to use iTunes and whatnot. I've always been fascinated by the
> "training" and "consulting" aspect of Apple stores.
>
> It's a very sly way of glossing over Apple's usability issues.

Meh. I think anyone who's ever been the target of tech support calls
from friends/family understands exactly how this works. There are some
people who seem incapable of performing even obvious tasks without
handholding. I think the issue is that they just aren't comfortable
enough with computers to learn by trying things out, so you have to sit
there and give them 'permission' to click every button.

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From: Mocassin joe on

"ZnU" <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:znu-1D2269.13520202042010(a)Port80.Individual.NET...
> In article <slrnhr76mh.qv0.jedi(a)nomad.mishnet>,
> JEDIDIAH <jedi(a)nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-03-30, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > In article <Jbvsn.33511$EE6.23290(a)newsfe23.iad>,
>> > "Mocassin joe" <joemocasanto(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> They just work?? Intuitive??
>> >>
>> >> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/24584/
>> >>
>> >> Apple is promising free setup services for customers who purchase an
>> >> iPad
>> >> at
>> >> one of its retail stores," Paul McDougall reports for InformationWeek.
>> >> "The
>> >> services includes e-mail configuration, application loading, 'and
>> >> more,'
>> >> Apple said Monday."
>> >>
>> >> "The iPad is slated to be in Apple retail stores and available for
>> >> online
>> >> purchase starting Saturday [April 3rd]," McDougall reports. "In
>> >> addition
>> >> to
>> >> setup services, the stores will offer iPad 'workshops' to help users
>> >> learn
>> >> more about the tablet-style computing device, which combines the
>> >> functions
>> >> of a notebook, e-reader, and portable video and music player."
>> >
>> > LOL
>> >
>> > In your world, because something is offered as an incentive it must be
>> > indispensable...
>>
>> There isn't much marketing value to offering something that's
>> useless.
>>
>> You can go into an Apple store for yourself and see the rubes being
>> taught how to use iTunes and whatnot. I've always been fascinated by the
>> "training" and "consulting" aspect of Apple stores.
>>
>> It's a very sly way of glossing over Apple's usability issues.
>
> Meh. I think anyone who's ever been the target of tech support calls
> from friends/family understands exactly how this works. There are some
> people who seem incapable of performing even obvious tasks without
> handholding. I think the issue is that they just aren't comfortable
> enough with computers to learn by trying things out, so you have to sit
> there and give them 'permission' to click every button.

But now you are discounting, "intuitive, and "they just work".


From: Tim Murray on
Mocassin joe wrote:
>
> "ZnU" <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Meh. I think anyone who's ever been the target of tech support calls
>> from friends/family understands exactly how this works. There are some
>> people who seem incapable of performing even obvious tasks without
>> handholding. I think the issue is that they just aren't comfortable
>> enough with computers to learn by trying things out, so you have to sit
>> there and give them 'permission' to click every button.
>
> But now you are discounting, "intuitive, and "they just work".
>

Not at all. Very little in any computer is truly intuitive -- it's a misused
word. I mean after all, you had to attend the week-long training to operate
your fryer. Wasn't it intuitive?

From: Mocassin joe on

"Tim Murray" <no-spam(a)thankyou.com> wrote in message
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> Mocassin joe wrote:
>>
>> "ZnU" <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Meh. I think anyone who's ever been the target of tech support calls
>>> from friends/family understands exactly how this works. There are some
>>> people who seem incapable of performing even obvious tasks without
>>> handholding. I think the issue is that they just aren't comfortable
>>> enough with computers to learn by trying things out, so you have to sit
>>> there and give them 'permission' to click every button.
>>
>> But now you are discounting, "intuitive, and "they just work".
>>
>
> Not at all. Very little in any computer is truly intuitive -- it's a
> misused
> word. I mean after all, you had to attend the week-long training to
> operate
> your fryer. Wasn't it intuitive?

Yeah - it set a goal to my life. So easy even a MacFreak might be able to do
it. You know, I actually now own the McDonalds I first worked at as a teen.
It was my first one and best one, #27855. That one was always a BIG money
maker. Somewhere deep inside me, I pity you - a little.



From: Tim Murray on
Mocassin joe wrote:
>
> "Tim Murray" <no-spam(a)thankyou.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C7DBC6D600169CDDB02919BF(a)nntp.charter.net...
>> Mocassin joe wrote:
>>>
>>> "ZnU" <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meh. I think anyone who's ever been the target of tech support calls
>>>> from friends/family understands exactly how this works. There are some
>>>> people who seem incapable of performing even obvious tasks without
>>>> handholding. I think the issue is that they just aren't comfortable
>>>> enough with computers to learn by trying things out, so you have to sit
>>>> there and give them 'permission' to click every button.
>>>
>>> But now you are discounting, "intuitive, and "they just work".
>>>
>>
>> Not at all. Very little in any computer is truly intuitive -- it's a
>> misused
>> word. I mean after all, you had to attend the week-long training to
>> operate
>> your fryer. Wasn't it intuitive?
>
> Yeah - it set a goal to my life. So easy even a MacFreak might be able to do
> it. You know, I actually now own the McDonalds I first worked at as a teen.
> It was my first one and best one, #27855. That one was always a BIG money
> maker. Somewhere deep inside me, I pity you - a little.
>

The one at 125th at Lexington? Riiiight. LOLOLOL