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From: salgud on 14 Jun 2010 11:42
On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 17:05:26 -0400, John wrote:

> What are the pro's and cons of each device? For me I have been using a
> Curve since November and for the most part have had a great time. The
> issues I have had are with the lame Mac sync software (duplications of
> calendar items, and other calendar & PIM sync issues that I am having
> with the Mac sync software). Its obvious that RIM does not care too much
> about Macs. The other issues I have had with the BB is the low internal
> RAM (SD card memory means little for emails, installed apps, etc), and
> the inability for the BB to auto switch time while traveling.
>
> The BB is much smaller than iPhone, has a built in keyboard and has
> other advantages over the iPhone, but these are the two that stick out.
>
> So what about you?
>
>
>
> John

I have never owned a BB, but I do have an iPhone. My impression is that the
BB is a no-nonsense, practical business tool. It does pretty much anything
a business person needs and not a lot else, although this last is changing
as RIM recognizes the market is changing. I know a lot of people who love
their BBs almost as much as a lot of iPhone users love their iPhones. From
what I know, they work well.

OTOH, the iPhone does all of that, some things better, some things not as
well, and is perfectly capable of nonsense! Games, web browsing, NGs, the
iPhone does it all. Some of it is even practical. And you don't need to
know anything to use it. The OS is so transparent, small children can make
one work. That's the OS, of course, apps can get a lot more complicated.

Whatever you do, try both out for as long as you need at the store. If
you're like a lot of us, the "feel" of the device is just as important as
the features list, if not more. How much time do you want to spend reading
a manual? (In truth, the manual can be very helpful with an iPhone to learn
some of the little known tricks it can do. For example, when using the
keyboard, if you want to insert a period, you don't have to tap the
keyboard change button to the punctuation keyboard, enter the period, then
press on the alpha keyboard button. There's a nifty shortcut). But you can
operate the iPhone without looking at a manual at all, if you don't care
about a lot of the shortcuts. And any device has these.

They're both excellent devices, it just depends on what you want to do with
it and what you like. I much prefer the iPhone because I like that it does
so much so well.

By the way, some people think, when they hear "games", that we're talking
Mortal Combat and Pacman and such. While they are also available for the
iPhone, there are some very sophisticated games for the iPhone, adult
games, that are not reliant on quick reflexes (mine were never that quick,
and haven't gotten better with time) or are violent. If you get your hands
on an iPhone, try out "Auditorium" for a few minutes. Great game for kids
and adults.

Some people require a physical keyboard. If so, the iPhone isn't for you.
But my experience is that most people who give the iPhone virtual keyboard
a serious try in landscape mode, are ok with it. Some, like me, even prefer
it to physical keyboards. Of course, it helps if you read the manual and
find out how it really works and learn to use it appropriately.

Best of luck in your search. Hope you find one you like using rather than
tolerate.
From: JF Mezei on 14 Jun 2010 15:15
salgud wrote:

> I have never owned a BB, but I do have an iPhone. My impression is that the
> BB is a no-nonsense, practical business tool.

Which requires proprietary email interfaces.

Apple has deals with networks to share data revenues.

Rim forces networks to purchase the RIM email service so that RIM
customers can access their emails. (and RIM also sells its proprietary
software to large corporations who can then let their employees connect
directly to the proprietary sofwtare).

In both cases, the phone manufacturer wants a piece of the monthly pie.

And this is why Apple sells "unlocked" phones at such a high a price: to
make up for those revenues it would have made during the lifetime of the
phone had it been under contract/locked to the network.

From: JF Mezei on 14 Jun 2010 16:19
salgud wrote:

> The obvious implication of what you wrote is trying to spread the blame
> rather then address the fact that Apple/iSteve is taking advantage of those
> Chinese laborers.


It would be far better if Apple produced more of its gear in north
america or europe. It woudl create local jobs and stimulate the local
economy.

But Apple would then be forced to reduce product quality in order to
remain price competitive (and it is already at the high end of "price
competitive" with the so called Apple tax).

It isn't an ideal situation to have Apple make its gear in China. But
Apple is not an isolated case. In fact, part of the reason that the USA
is in so much trouble right now is because so many corporations moved
their operations to China.
From: Wes Groleau on 14 Jun 2010 17:10
On 06-14-2010 15:36, salgud wrote:
> The obvious implication of what you wrote is trying to spread the blame
> rather then address the fact that Apple/iSteve is taking advantage of those
> Chinese laborers.

The obvious implication of all the noise you are making about Steve Jobs
while ignoring the others is that you are a hypocrite who doesn't really
care about the laborers at all. You just want to take advantage of them
to pick on Jobs.

--
Wes Groleau

"Missing a train is only painful if you run after it!"
-- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
From: salgud on 15 Jun 2010 10:51
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:05:21 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> In article <hmoaypwlur4r$.pfow28v5nohp$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
> salgud <spamboy6547(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> There you go again; I didn't say that it's OK for Apple to do it. The
>>> obvious implication of what I wrote is that if you're going to
>>> criticize any of those companies for it, you should criticize those
>>> other companies as well.
>>
>> The obvious implication of what you wrote is trying to spread the blame
>> rather then address the fact that Apple/iSteve is taking advantage of
>> those Chinese laborers.
>
> The first obvious implication of what you wrote is that you don't care that
> the other companies are just as culpable as Apple is, and that you let your
> irrational obsession with Steve Jobs overcome whatever sense of reason you
> may have.
>
Gee, and here I thought this NG was about an APPLE product, the iPhone. Is
this where I come to discuss Sony, or is it Dell?

> The second obvious implication of what you wrote is that your irrational
> and unjustified dislike of me causes you to lie about me.

Of course, no one could dislike you for good reasons, like your
cheerleading and obvious avoidance of any discussion of the many faults of
Apple and your iSteve.

1. This is an NG about Apple. Not Sony, not Dell, Apple.

2. Most of us here are users of Apple's products, at least one. Not Sony,
not Dell, APPLE.

3. Yes, I do hold your iSteve to a higher standard. I expect better of him
than I do of the CEO's of Sony or Dell. He gets up on that platform after
showing the demo tape for Face Time with the touching seen of the deaf
mother, child and soldier, and he says something about this what is it's
"really about". How touching. Then he is whisked away in a chauffered
limosine to one of his mansions or penthouses to count his $40+Bn in gold,
while the workers in China slave away into the night in deplorable
conditions for $1 and hour to make him yet richer. Has he offered to build
them a hospital, if they need one? A school or child care center for their
kids? How about setting up some kind of trust fund for those workers to
distribute a decent sized sum of cash to benefit them in what ever way
would help them the most? How about a PAY INCREASE which would probably up
his cost for an iPhone by $10 or less, so they can have a life?

Your iSteve is a hypocrite, more so than the CEO's of those other
countries, because he gets up in public and pretends to care. And yes, I
deplore a hypocrite more than just a greedy person.

So now you and your minions are going to tell me I shouldn't buy an iPhone.
Right, like that will change anything. Maybe that makes me a hypocrite too.
But at least I'm willing to say that the King has no clothes, not praise
him to the skies like he's some kind of God. He is what he is, and he ain't
no saint, and I get tired of people like you trying to put the blame on
people you don't care about to preserve the image of your false God that
you need to hide your own hypocrisy.
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