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From: Rowland McDonnell on 19 Feb 2010 10:15 David Sankey <David.Sankey(a)stfc.ac.uk> wrote: > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > > David Sankey <David.Sankey(a)stfc.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > The data's not just held at CERN. It's a *BIG* job, a vast ocean of > > > > numbers, and it's backed up all over the globe! It's staggering! Big > > > > enough to make even Google blink. > > > > > > We still lose tapes. > > > > CERN's got robots on the job. > > No, we still lose tapes. We're one of the sites providing primary > offsite copies and take some 10% of CERN data, but tapes still break. Ah - /that/ kind of lossage. Righto. > That said, more often it's the metadata getting snarled so the data > still exist, you just don't know where. > > Also we tend to have more on disk, our pool for January being 2.9PB disk > vs 2.2PB tape. <goggles> Wha? Whee! Any idea how much power it takes to keep 2.9PB of HDDs running? I could do an approximation, but - what's /really/ the case? > Disks being continuously on tend to fail more often than > tapes, we lost some 400 disks last year. RAID saves you, file system > loss was only 4. I can remember thinking that a 20MB HDD was stupidly big. I'm thinking how stupid I was. And am. Ye gods! Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 19 Feb 2010 10:17 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote: > > >Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > >> One reason Sinclair and the other British micro makers died is that they > >> did spend the money on half-decent customer service > > > >I think you're looking back fondly at a past that never really existed. > >The customer in those days was generally the last thing on anyone's > >mind. > > Sinclair did do a pretty good job on returns+repairs, though. Which is what I said. > More > through practice and necessity than through actual customer service, I > suspect. Me too. > And at least the postman had the customer on their mind... We used to get two deliveries a day when I was a young 'un. Not that anything actually often turned up second post, but postie was there doing his rounds. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Duncan Kennedy on 19 Feb 2010 10:31 In message <1je62ae.u2c9y5z9rlubN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> writes > >I can remember thinking that a 20MB HDD was stupidly big. I'm thinking >how stupid I was. And am. Ye gods! > I still have my STE HD - all of 25MB - SCSI converted to Atari socket. I found the invoice a few weeks ago - 343 GBP about 20 years ago. I did a lot of work using that drive - graphics, video etc - and never used above 12.5 MB. -- Duncan K Downtown Dalgety Bay
From: Jim on 19 Feb 2010 10:36 On 2010-02-19, Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospam.otterson-bg.couk> wrote: >> >>I can remember thinking that a 20MB HDD was stupidly big. I'm thinking >>how stupid I was. And am. Ye gods! >> > I still have my STE HD - all of 25MB - SCSI converted to Atari socket. > I found the invoice a few weeks ago - 343 GBP about 20 years ago. > > I did a lot of work using that drive - graphics, video etc - and never > used above 12.5 MB. > I have a Tandy external 5MB hard disk drive. It's the size of a video recorder. An _old_ video recorder. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: Woody on 19 Feb 2010 10:51
On 19/02/2010 15:13, Rowland McDonnell wrote: > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > >> Rowland McDonnell wrote: >>> Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > [snip] >>>> But then on the fascinating things my uncle had (which was most things, >>>> he was the reason I got into electronics) was a nixie tube clock. I >>>> loved watching that thing. Oh god that was a stupid thing to remember.. >>>> look at all the pretty nixie tube clocks on google..<wanders off>.. >>> >>> Nixie tube wristwatch: >>> >>> <http://www.cathodecorner.com/nixiewatch/watchhist/watchhist.html> >> >> Ooh - impressive. Obviously wouldn't want to wear something like that >> but damn good. > > Why `obviously'? Don't know - didn't mean to put it there, probably as I deleted what I first put there, as it isn't obvious, sorry. Especially when my actual watch is a series of bargraph LEDs. Don't wear it much though, I can't wear watches. >> Unfortunately having now looked at the nixie tubes, however much I want >> one, there is no way I am paying those prices for a bit of nostalgia! > > I think the only sane approach is to hunt around for old Nixie tube gear > and make your own clock-in-a-cigar box like this bloke: > > <http://www.selectric.org/nixie/> Unfortunately hunting round for old gear was easier in some ways in the pre-eBay days. Now people just stick it on there - looking today, if I wanted the larger tubes, the IN-18s, they are really expensive. Although now I look on eBay again, the smaller ones are much cheaper - I suppose for an alarm clock they are probably good enough as it is close up. > Thing is, �280 isn't all that much for a fancy watch, not in the grand > scheme of things. Quite cheap, given that you're getting something > utterly astonishing. But I think most people with a spare �300 are > going to think of spending it on something else... Yes, whether something is much or not really depends on how much you value it. As i can't wear a watch I don't value them highly (although I do like them). -- Woody |