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From: eric gisse on 9 May 2010 00:30 Michael Helland wrote: > On May 8, 6:33 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Michael Helland wrote: >> >> [snip idiocy] >> >> > So if I wanted to see how this affected the need for Dark Matter, is >> > there an example of masses and distances that need to fit together? >> >> "Do my research for me." > > Hey, I solved the acceleration problem with my formula, v = c - Ht > where H is in units of km/sec/millionyears. Whatever the question is, you have the answer. And it is the same answer, regardless of the question. > > The least you could do is stop calling me an idiot. But that would be dishonest to both myself and you... Would you rather be called 'a stunning example of the Dunning-Kruger effect' ?
From: Michael Helland on 9 May 2010 05:49 On May 8, 7:59 pm, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 8, 7:12 pm, Michael Helland <mobyd...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 8, 6:33 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Michael Helland wrote: > > > > [snip idiocy] > > > > > So if I wanted to see how this affected the need for Dark Matter, is > > > > there an example of masses and distances that need to fit together? > > > > "Do my research for me." > > > Hey, I solved the acceleration problem with my formula, v = c - Ht > > where H is in units of km/sec/millionyears. > > > The least you could do is stop calling me an idiot. > > According to both standard cosmology and your theory, light that was > originally > emitted in the visible will at some distance have redshifted into the > microwave (CMBR). According to standard Cosmology, yes. According to my hypothesis, no. Sam W. actually drew my attention to that prediction. > According to you, when it started out the CMBR must have been fresh > (fast) high energy photons that at our distance have decayed to stale > (slow) microwaves. According to me, the CMB is the result of photons from galaxies around Hubble's limit that are at the end of their range. They are generated all the time. Once again, Sam deduced that prediction from my hypothesis. > But, my radar gun also produces fresh microwave photons > which being freshly minted, according to your "theory" should move at > an unaltered c. > > What then, is the difference between your slow "stale" microwaves > and my fast fresh ones? The duration of their journey from their source to the observer according to the formula v = c - Ht where H is 21.77km/sec/million years
From: Michael Helland on 9 May 2010 05:54 On May 8, 9:30 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michael Helland wrote: > > On May 8, 6:33 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Michael Helland wrote: > > >> [snip idiocy] > > >> > So if I wanted to see how this affected the need for Dark Matter, is > >> > there an example of masses and distances that need to fit together? > > >> "Do my research for me." > > > Hey, I solved the acceleration problem with my formula, v = c - Ht > > where H is in units of km/sec/millionyears. > > Whatever the question is, you have the answer. And it is the same answer, > regardless of the question. A prediction made by my hypothesis is that the ratio walls and voids in the observable cosmos reflects the variation in the CMBs temperature. > > The least you could do is stop calling me an idiot. > > But that would be dishonest to both myself and you... > > Would you rather be called 'a stunning example of the Dunning-Kruger effect' > ? Do you deny that you are immune from mythology and ridiculous notions of the world?
From: BURT on 9 May 2010 16:36 On May 9, 2:54 am, Michael Helland <mobyd...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 8, 9:30 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Michael Helland wrote: > > > On May 8, 6:33 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Michael Helland wrote: > > > >> [snip idiocy] > > > >> > So if I wanted to see how this affected the need for Dark Matter, is > > >> > there an example of masses and distances that need to fit together? > > > >> "Do my research for me." > > > > Hey, I solved the acceleration problem with my formula, v = c - Ht > > > where H is in units of km/sec/millionyears. > > > Whatever the question is, you have the answer. And it is the same answer, > > regardless of the question. > > A prediction made by my hypothesis is that the ratio walls and voids > in the observable cosmos reflects the variation in the CMBs > temperature. > > > > The least you could do is stop calling me an idiot. > > > But that would be dishonest to both myself and you... > > > Would you rather be called 'a stunning example of the Dunning-Kruger effect' > > ? > > Do you deny that you are immune from mythology and ridiculous notions > of the world?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If objects expanded to their distance slower than light they must be older. And light flowing through expanding space will have more distance to travel through. These things mean that the universe is much older than the most distant objects are in their light years. Mitch Raemsch
From: nuny on 9 May 2010 18:11
On May 9, 2:49 am, Michael Helland <mobyd...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 8, 7:59 pm, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 8, 7:12 pm, Michael Helland <mobyd...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 8, 6:33 pm, eric gisse <jowr.pi.nos...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Michael Helland wrote: > > > > > [snip idiocy] > > > > > > So if I wanted to see how this affected the need for Dark Matter, is > > > > > there an example of masses and distances that need to fit together? > > > > > "Do my research for me." > > > > Hey, I solved the acceleration problem with my formula, v = c - Ht > > > where H is in units of km/sec/millionyears. > > > > The least you could do is stop calling me an idiot. > > > According to both standard cosmology and your theory, light that was > > originally > > emitted in the visible will at some distance have redshifted into the > > microwave (CMBR). > > According to standard Cosmology, yes. > > According to my hypothesis, no. Sam W. actually drew my attention to > that prediction. If by Sam W. you refer to Sam Wormley, I don't care what he says. I have killfiled Wormley because he parrots others' words rather than do his own thinking. Your hypothesis (I notice you have downgraded from "theory" but that's not the nit I want to pick) predicts that blue photons (for instance) from radiating objects near the Hubble Limit will, by the time they get to our eyes and instruments, have the measurable wavelength and frequency of what we on Earth call microwaves. Whatever the physical reason, I see no reason the term "redshift" does not apply. > > According to you, when it started out the CMBR must have been fresh > > (fast) high energy photons that at our distance have decayed to stale > > (slow) microwaves. > > According to me, the CMB is the result of photons from galaxies around > Hubble's limit that are at the end of their range. Right. > > But, my radar gun also produces fresh microwave photons > > which being freshly minted, according to your "theory" should move at > > an unaltered c. > > > What then, is the difference between your slow "stale" microwaves > > and my fast fresh ones? > > The duration of their journey from their source to the observer > according to the formula v = c - Ht where H is 21.77km/sec/million > years Where does the energy of your "stale" photons go as they travel? How fast do they lose it? What's the physical mechanism? Mark L. Fergerson |