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From: J. Eric Durbin on 13 Mar 2006 12:12 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:19:53 -0700, "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set it on >top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My CPU is now >59-60° running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to invest in a new case as >you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a fortune on a case. Any >recommendations to good cases? I like Antec but they tend to be >expensive... I've had very good luck with the Antec Super Lanboy http://www.xpcgear.com/an.html I've seen it for as low as $55 on sale. The pros are that it is aluminum so very light weight and it is very easy to work on. It provides 2 120mm fans (front in/back out), easy access side panel, toolless access, cushioned slide in caddys for hard drives, etc. Cons: Some find the case flimsy and the quality not up to typical Antec standards but I've not found this outweighs the features you get for the low price. I've got an AMD athlon 64 3000+ (not overclocked), with a Antec Neo Power 480, 200Gz Western Digital Caviar HD, DVD/CD RW, and ab XFX Nvidia 6600GT installed and the CPU idles at 37C and never goes over 40 -41C under load. HTH >"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing that >> CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to move air well, >> put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the CPU are OK, but >> they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a good PS that will help >> move the air while providing clean, power-factor corrected, power can help >> as well. >> >> -- >> Charlie. >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>
From: andy on 13 Mar 2006 16:16 If you want a low-cost case, get something like <http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=KG-878-WHT&cat=CAS> or <http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=KG-989-WHT&cat=CAS>. On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 06:19:53 -0700, "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set it on >top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My CPU is now >59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to invest in a new case as >you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a fortune on a case. Any >recommendations to good cases? I like Antec but they tend to be >expensive... > >Thanks for the help. >Chris > >"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing that >> CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to move air well, >> put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the CPU are OK, but >> they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a good PS that will help >> move the air while providing clean, power-factor corrected, power can help >> as well. >> >> -- >> Charlie. >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>
From: John Barnes on 13 Mar 2006 18:39 But with a house fan blowing into it he should have more airflow on all parts of his computer than he would ever get with a couple of case fans, even 120mm "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:uqi3BjrRGHA.256(a)TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Actually, open case can be worse than closed - the air isn't directed to > the right location. > > That being said, the OP seems to need a new and properly seated/gooped CPU > cooler as well. > > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/xperts64 > > John Barnes wrote: >> I seriously doubt under these circumstances that changing your case is >> going to help. No case is going to improve on an open case and a house >> fan into the case. Also from what I can see those temperatures are >> relatively normal for a P4 under load. >> >> >> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ufRKhUqRGHA.5220(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>> I've actually had my the side off my case the whole time since I put it >>> together. I did try blowing air into the case using a house fan >>> yesterday and the temperatures lowered some, but not more than 5?C. I >>> haven't tried another temperature program, but I could and see if I get >>> anything different. I would tend to say the CPU fan is on correctly, >>> but in my opinion, these P4 fans are tough to get on. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >>> news:usbFDMqRGHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>> Have you tried running with the case open and even adding a house fan >>>> to >>>> blow air into the case when it is open? You may have another problem, >>>> such as the cpu fan or improper installation or even bad readings (have >>>> you tried another temperature reporting program). >>>> >>>> >>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eiIMVDqRGHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>> I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set it >>>>> on top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My CPU is >>>>> now 59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to invest in a >>>>> new case as you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a fortune on a case. >>>>> Any recommendations to good cases? I like Antec but they tend to be >>>>> expensive... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>> message news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing >>>>>> that CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to move >>>>>> air well, put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the CPU >>>>>> are OK, but they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a good PS >>>>>> that will help move the air while providing clean, power-factor >>>>>> corrected, power can help as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 > >
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 13 Mar 2006 20:18 Most tests I've seen over the years indicate the opposite. Though I guess it would depend on exact configuration and the speed of air flow that the house fan provides. The key is that a well-designed case directs cool, fast moving, air directly across the CPU heat sink - the place it's needed the most. It's not the total air movement in the case that matters so much as how much of it gets to where it needs to be before it's too hot to do its job. That being said, I've got a strong suspicion that we've got a bad marriage between the CPU and the heat sink happening here. There's no way it should be running this hot when not overclocked if it's getting adequate cooling. I'd start by pulling the heat sink, cleaning all the old gunk off carefully (those alcohol wipes they use for injections are perfect for this), and then using fresh, premium silver-based, gunk, and a top notch after market heatsink and fan combination. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64 John Barnes wrote: > But with a house fan blowing into it he should have more airflow on all > parts of his computer than he would ever get with a couple of case fans, > even 120mm > > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message > news:uqi3BjrRGHA.256(a)TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> Actually, open case can be worse than closed - the air isn't directed to >> the right location. >> >> That being said, the OP seems to need a new and properly seated/gooped >> CPU cooler as well. >> >> >> -- >> Charlie. >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >> >> John Barnes wrote: >>> I seriously doubt under these circumstances that changing your case is >>> going to help. No case is going to improve on an open case and a house >>> fan into the case. Also from what I can see those temperatures are >>> relatively normal for a P4 under load. >>> >>> >>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ufRKhUqRGHA.5220(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>> I've actually had my the side off my case the whole time since I put it >>>> together. I did try blowing air into the case using a house fan >>>> yesterday and the temperatures lowered some, but not more than 5?C. I >>>> haven't tried another temperature program, but I could and see if I get >>>> anything different. I would tend to say the CPU fan is on correctly, >>>> but in my opinion, these P4 fans are tough to get on. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >>>> news:usbFDMqRGHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>> Have you tried running with the case open and even adding a house fan >>>>> to >>>>> blow air into the case when it is open? You may have another problem, >>>>> such as the cpu fan or improper installation or even bad readings >>>>> (have you tried another temperature reporting program). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:eiIMVDqRGHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>> I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set >>>>>> it on top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My >>>>>> CPU is now 59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to >>>>>> invest in a new case as you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a >>>>>> fortune on a case. Any recommendations to good cases? I like Antec >>>>>> but they tend to be expensive... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>>> message news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing >>>>>>> that CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to move >>>>>>> air well, put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the >>>>>>> CPU are OK, but they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a >>>>>>> good PS that will help move the air while providing clean, >>>>>>> power-factor corrected, power can help as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
From: John Barnes on 14 Mar 2006 07:19
In this case he achieved a 5 degree reduction. Here is the Intel instruction page for installing the CPU which you can use after following Charlie's cleaning instructions. http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-007989.htm "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:uUqElgwRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > Most tests I've seen over the years indicate the opposite. Though I guess > it would depend on exact configuration and the speed of air flow that the > house fan provides. > > The key is that a well-designed case directs cool, fast moving, air > directly across the CPU heat sink - the place it's needed the most. It's > not the total air movement in the case that matters so much as how much of > it gets to where it needs to be before it's too hot to do its job. > > That being said, I've got a strong suspicion that we've got a bad marriage > between the CPU and the heat sink happening here. There's no way it should > be running this hot when not overclocked if it's getting adequate cooling. > I'd start by pulling the heat sink, cleaning all the old gunk off > carefully (those alcohol wipes they use for injections are perfect for > this), and then using fresh, premium silver-based, gunk, and a top notch > after market heatsink and fan combination. > > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/xperts64 > > John Barnes wrote: >> But with a house fan blowing into it he should have more airflow on all >> parts of his computer than he would ever get with a couple of case fans, >> even 120mm >> >> >> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >> news:uqi3BjrRGHA.256(a)TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>> Actually, open case can be worse than closed - the air isn't directed to >>> the right location. >>> >>> That being said, the OP seems to need a new and properly seated/gooped >>> CPU cooler as well. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie. >>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>> >>> John Barnes wrote: >>>> I seriously doubt under these circumstances that changing your case is >>>> going to help. No case is going to improve on an open case and a house >>>> fan into the case. Also from what I can see those temperatures are >>>> relatively normal for a P4 under load. >>>> >>>> >>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ufRKhUqRGHA.5220(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>> I've actually had my the side off my case the whole time since I put >>>>> it >>>>> together. I did try blowing air into the case using a house fan >>>>> yesterday and the temperatures lowered some, but not more than 5?C. I >>>>> haven't tried another temperature program, but I could and see if I >>>>> get >>>>> anything different. I would tend to say the CPU fan is on correctly, >>>>> but in my opinion, these P4 fans are tough to get on. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:usbFDMqRGHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Have you tried running with the case open and even adding a house fan >>>>>> to >>>>>> blow air into the case when it is open? You may have another >>>>>> problem, >>>>>> such as the cpu fan or improper installation or even bad readings >>>>>> (have you tried another temperature reporting program). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eiIMVDqRGHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set >>>>>>> it on top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My >>>>>>> CPU is now 59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to >>>>>>> invest in a new case as you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a >>>>>>> fortune on a case. Any recommendations to good cases? I like Antec >>>>>>> but they tend to be expensive... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>>>> message news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing >>>>>>>> that CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to move >>>>>>>> air well, put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the >>>>>>>> CPU are OK, but they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a >>>>>>>> good PS that will help move the air while providing clean, >>>>>>>> power-factor corrected, power can help as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 > > |