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From: quantumburnz on 14 Mar 2006 08:27 Thanks for all your help guys! I didn't have a single crash last night. Chris "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message news:epVbLG2RGHA.5500(a)TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > In this case he achieved a 5 degree reduction. Here is the Intel > instruction page for installing the CPU which you can use after following > Charlie's cleaning instructions. > http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-007989.htm > > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message > news:uUqElgwRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Most tests I've seen over the years indicate the opposite. Though I guess >> it would depend on exact configuration and the speed of air flow that the >> house fan provides. >> >> The key is that a well-designed case directs cool, fast moving, air >> directly across the CPU heat sink - the place it's needed the most. It's >> not the total air movement in the case that matters so much as how much >> of it gets to where it needs to be before it's too hot to do its job. >> >> That being said, I've got a strong suspicion that we've got a bad >> marriage between the CPU and the heat sink happening here. There's no way >> it should be running this hot when not overclocked if it's getting >> adequate cooling. I'd start by pulling the heat sink, cleaning all the >> old gunk off carefully (those alcohol wipes they use for injections are >> perfect for this), and then using fresh, premium silver-based, gunk, and >> a top notch after market heatsink and fan combination. >> >> >> -- >> Charlie. >> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >> >> John Barnes wrote: >>> But with a house fan blowing into it he should have more airflow on all >>> parts of his computer than he would ever get with a couple of case fans, >>> even 120mm >>> >>> >>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>> message >>> news:uqi3BjrRGHA.256(a)TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>>> Actually, open case can be worse than closed - the air isn't directed >>>> to >>>> the right location. >>>> >>>> That being said, the OP seems to need a new and properly seated/gooped >>>> CPU cooler as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Charlie. >>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>>> >>>> John Barnes wrote: >>>>> I seriously doubt under these circumstances that changing your case is >>>>> going to help. No case is going to improve on an open case and a >>>>> house >>>>> fan into the case. Also from what I can see those temperatures are >>>>> relatively normal for a P4 under load. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ufRKhUqRGHA.5220(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>> I've actually had my the side off my case the whole time since I put >>>>>> it >>>>>> together. I did try blowing air into the case using a house fan >>>>>> yesterday and the temperatures lowered some, but not more than 5?C. >>>>>> I >>>>>> haven't tried another temperature program, but I could and see if I >>>>>> get >>>>>> anything different. I would tend to say the CPU fan is on correctly, >>>>>> but in my opinion, these P4 fans are tough to get on. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:usbFDMqRGHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Have you tried running with the case open and even adding a house >>>>>>> fan >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> blow air into the case when it is open? You may have another >>>>>>> problem, >>>>>>> such as the cpu fan or improper installation or even bad readings >>>>>>> (have you tried another temperature reporting program). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:eiIMVDqRGHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set >>>>>>>> it on top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My >>>>>>>> CPU is now 59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to >>>>>>>> invest in a new case as you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a >>>>>>>> fortune on a case. Any recommendations to good cases? I like Antec >>>>>>>> but they tend to be expensive... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>>>>> message news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing >>>>>>>>> that CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to >>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>> air well, put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the >>>>>>>>> CPU are OK, but they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a >>>>>>>>> good PS that will help move the air while providing clean, >>>>>>>>> power-factor corrected, power can help as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >> >> > >
From: John Barnes on 14 Mar 2006 08:34 For the record, what was your solution as an aid to others with the same problem. "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eSR0Us2RGHA.4608(a)tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Thanks for all your help guys! I didn't have a single crash last night. > > Chris > > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message > news:epVbLG2RGHA.5500(a)TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> In this case he achieved a 5 degree reduction. Here is the Intel >> instruction page for installing the CPU which you can use after following >> Charlie's cleaning instructions. >> http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-007989.htm >> >> >> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >> news:uUqElgwRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>> Most tests I've seen over the years indicate the opposite. Though I >>> guess it would depend on exact configuration and the speed of air flow >>> that the house fan provides. >>> >>> The key is that a well-designed case directs cool, fast moving, air >>> directly across the CPU heat sink - the place it's needed the most. It's >>> not the total air movement in the case that matters so much as how much >>> of it gets to where it needs to be before it's too hot to do its job. >>> >>> That being said, I've got a strong suspicion that we've got a bad >>> marriage between the CPU and the heat sink happening here. There's no >>> way it should be running this hot when not overclocked if it's getting >>> adequate cooling. I'd start by pulling the heat sink, cleaning all the >>> old gunk off carefully (those alcohol wipes they use for injections are >>> perfect for this), and then using fresh, premium silver-based, gunk, and >>> a top notch after market heatsink and fan combination. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie. >>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>> >>> John Barnes wrote: >>>> But with a house fan blowing into it he should have more airflow on all >>>> parts of his computer than he would ever get with a couple of case >>>> fans, >>>> even 120mm >>>> >>>> >>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>> message >>>> news:uqi3BjrRGHA.256(a)TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>>>> Actually, open case can be worse than closed - the air isn't directed >>>>> to >>>>> the right location. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, the OP seems to need a new and properly seated/gooped >>>>> CPU cooler as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Charlie. >>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>>>> >>>>> John Barnes wrote: >>>>>> I seriously doubt under these circumstances that changing your case >>>>>> is >>>>>> going to help. No case is going to improve on an open case and a >>>>>> house >>>>>> fan into the case. Also from what I can see those temperatures are >>>>>> relatively normal for a P4 under load. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ufRKhUqRGHA.5220(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I've actually had my the side off my case the whole time since I put >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> together. I did try blowing air into the case using a house fan >>>>>>> yesterday and the temperatures lowered some, but not more than 5?C. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> haven't tried another temperature program, but I could and see if I >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> anything different. I would tend to say the CPU fan is on >>>>>>> correctly, >>>>>>> but in my opinion, these P4 fans are tough to get on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:usbFDMqRGHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Have you tried running with the case open and even adding a house >>>>>>>> fan >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> blow air into the case when it is open? You may have another >>>>>>>> problem, >>>>>>>> such as the cpu fan or improper installation or even bad readings >>>>>>>> (have you tried another temperature reporting program). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:eiIMVDqRGHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I >>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>> it on top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My >>>>>>>>> CPU is now 59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to >>>>>>>>> invest in a new case as you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a >>>>>>>>> fortune on a case. Any recommendations to good cases? I like >>>>>>>>> Antec >>>>>>>>> but they tend to be expensive... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not >>>>>>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>>> that CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to >>>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>>> air well, put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the >>>>>>>>>> CPU are OK, but they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a >>>>>>>>>> good PS that will help move the air while providing clean, >>>>>>>>>> power-factor corrected, power can help as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: quantumburnz on 14 Mar 2006 11:21 Well, my temporary solution was to lower the temperature of the CPU by removing the power supply from the case and setting it on top of the case so it doesn't block part of the CPU fan. I realize this isn't a long term solution, but I need to decide what I want to do in terms of buying a new CPU fan, case, power supply or all of the above. Hope this helps anyone else who's having the same problem. SpeedFan was a really helpful program in diagnosing temperatures: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php Chris "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message news:uGMg8v2RGHA.792(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > For the record, what was your solution as an aid to others with the same > problem. > > > "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:eSR0Us2RGHA.4608(a)tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> Thanks for all your help guys! I didn't have a single crash last night. >> >> Chris >> >> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >> news:epVbLG2RGHA.5500(a)TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >>> In this case he achieved a 5 degree reduction. Here is the Intel >>> instruction page for installing the CPU which you can use after following >>> Charlie's cleaning instructions. >>> http://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-007989.htm >>> >>> >>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >>> news:uUqElgwRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>> Most tests I've seen over the years indicate the opposite. Though I guess >>>> it would depend on exact configuration and the speed of air flow that the >>>> house fan provides. >>>> >>>> The key is that a well-designed case directs cool, fast moving, air >>>> directly across the CPU heat sink - the place it's needed the most. It's >>>> not the total air movement in the case that matters so much as how much of >>>> it gets to where it needs to be before it's too hot to do its job. >>>> >>>> That being said, I've got a strong suspicion that we've got a bad marriage >>>> between the CPU and the heat sink happening here. There's no way it should >>>> be running this hot when not overclocked if it's getting adequate cooling. >>>> I'd start by pulling the heat sink, cleaning all the old gunk off carefully >>>> (those alcohol wipes they use for injections are perfect for this), and >>>> then using fresh, premium silver-based, gunk, and a top notch after market >>>> heatsink and fan combination. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Charlie. >>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>>> >>>> John Barnes wrote: >>>>> But with a house fan blowing into it he should have more airflow on all >>>>> parts of his computer than he would ever get with a couple of case fans, >>>>> even 120mm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >>>>> news:uqi3BjrRGHA.256(a)TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Actually, open case can be worse than closed - the air isn't directed to >>>>>> the right location. >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, the OP seems to need a new and properly seated/gooped >>>>>> CPU cooler as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>>>>> >>>>>> John Barnes wrote: >>>>>>> I seriously doubt under these circumstances that changing your case is >>>>>>> going to help. No case is going to improve on an open case and a house >>>>>>> fan into the case. Also from what I can see those temperatures are >>>>>>> relatively normal for a P4 under load. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ufRKhUqRGHA.5220(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> I've actually had my the side off my case the whole time since I put it >>>>>>>> together. I did try blowing air into the case using a house fan >>>>>>>> yesterday and the temperatures lowered some, but not more than 5?C. I >>>>>>>> haven't tried another temperature program, but I could and see if I get >>>>>>>> anything different. I would tend to say the CPU fan is on correctly, >>>>>>>> but in my opinion, these P4 fans are tough to get on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy(a)email.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:usbFDMqRGHA.5092(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> Have you tried running with the case open and even adding a house fan >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> blow air into the case when it is open? You may have another problem, >>>>>>>>> such as the cpu fan or improper installation or even bad readings >>>>>>>>> (have you tried another temperature reporting program). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "quantumburnz" <quantumburnz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:eiIMVDqRGHA.3972(a)TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> I decided to take the power supply out of my case last night, I set >>>>>>>>>> it on top of the case, to see if the CPU temperature improved. My >>>>>>>>>> CPU is now 59-60? running Folding(a)Home. I'll probably need to >>>>>>>>>> invest in a new case as you said, but I'd prefer not to spend a >>>>>>>>>> fortune on a case. Any recommendations to good cases? I like Antec >>>>>>>>>> but they tend to be expensive... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the help. >>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> message news:udZBkrmRGHA.4976(a)TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> Take IMMEDIATE action to reduce your temperature. You're not doing >>>>>>>>>>> that CPU any good at all. Buy a _good_ case that's designed to move >>>>>>>>>>> air well, put a good CPU cooler on - the ones that come with the >>>>>>>>>>> CPU are OK, but they're noisy and not all that efficient. And a >>>>>>>>>>> good PS that will help move the air while providing clean, >>>>>>>>>>> power-factor corrected, power can help as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Ryan Gadz on 18 Mar 2006 23:07
I dont think its your graphics card or windows. I think it is a compatability issue between Warcraft and Nvidia drivers. have you tried running xp nvidia drivers? I am having the same problem myself. |