neutral American English pronunciation of "Math.sin"
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From: Arved Sandstrom on 13 Mar 2010 08:35 Stefan Ram wrote: > What is the neutral American English pronunciation used by > programmers, when they say �Math.sin�? > > I assume that I already know the sequence of consonants used > while saying this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilabial_nasal > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_fricative > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_nasal > > But which are the vowels used for �a� and �i�? > > Is �sin� pronounced like �sine�? > > Is �sin�, when meaning �sine�, pronounced like �sin� (in the > sens of �A violation of a moral or religious law�)? > > Is �Math� pronounced like the start of �mathematics�? > > Is �Math� pronounced in the same way as �path� (except > for the initial consonant)? > > Is the �.� converted to a word and then also pronounced, > if so, to which word? > > TIA > I've never heard anyone - math-type, engineer, physicist, programmer - ever say anything other than "sine" for "sin". As for pronouncing "math", where I'm from we pronounce "path" and the start of "mathematics" the same way. :-) There's a difference somewhere? :-) AHS
From: rossum on 13 Mar 2010 09:57 On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:35:08 GMT, Arved Sandstrom <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Stefan Ram wrote: >> What is the neutral American English pronunciation used by >> programmers, when they say »Math.sin«? >> >> I assume that I already know the sequence of consonants used >> while saying this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilabial_nasal >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_fricative >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_nasal >> >> But which are the vowels used for »a« and »i«? >> >> Is »sin« pronounced like »sine«? >> >> Is »sin«, when meaning »sine«, pronounced like »sin« (in the >> sens of »A violation of a moral or religious law«)? >> >> Is »Math« pronounced like the start of »mathematics«? >> >> Is »Math« pronounced in the same way as »path« (except >> for the initial consonant)? >> >> Is the ».« converted to a word and then also pronounced, >> if so, to which word? >> >> TIA >> >I've never heard anyone - math-type, engineer, physicist, programmer - >ever say anything other than "sine" for "sin". > >As for pronouncing "math", where I'm from we pronounce "path" and the >start of "mathematics" the same way. :-) There's a difference somewhere? :-) > >AHS Southern English: "path" ==> parth/paath (long-A) Northern English: "path" ==> path (short-A) "mathematics" always has a short-A For a look at the intricacies of English pronunciation google "ghoti", pronounced 'fish'. rossum
From: BGB / cr88192 on 13 Mar 2010 10:19 "Arved Sandstrom" <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gwMmn.68043$Db2.64462(a)edtnps83... > Stefan Ram wrote: >> What is the neutral American English pronunciation used by >> programmers, when they say �Math.sin�? >> >> I assume that I already know the sequence of consonants used >> while saying this: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilabial_nasal >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_fricative >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_nasal >> >> But which are the vowels used for �a� and �i�? >> /{/ as in "cat" and "ran". /I/ as in "hit" and "city". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_front_unrounded_vowel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-close_near-front_unrounded_vowel >> Is �sin� pronounced like �sine�? >> >> Is �sin�, when meaning �sine�, pronounced like �sin� (in the >> sens of �A violation of a moral or religious law�)? >> >> Is �Math� pronounced like the start of �mathematics�? >> >> Is �Math� pronounced in the same way as �path� (except >> for the initial consonant)? >> >> Is the �.� converted to a word and then also pronounced, >> if so, to which word? TIA >> > I've never heard anyone - math-type, engineer, physicist, programmer - > ever say anything other than "sine" for "sin". > "sine" is the meaning, but "sin" is the way one says those letters, so it depends on the reader. it is like seening "ln" and saying "natural log" or, effectively, "elen" ("/ElEn/" or "/ElUn/"). or, "cos" as "cosine" or as "/kos/". usually, for saying stuff, it is not meaningful to map to semantics prior to mapping to words. "Math.sin" => "math dot sin" (or "math point sin", ...). "Math.sin();" => "math dot sin open-paren close-paren semicolon". .... "*s++" => "random /Es/ plus plus" or "star /Es/ plus plus". .... > As for pronouncing "math", where I'm from we pronounce "path" and the > start of "mathematics" the same way. :-) There's a difference somewhere? > :-) > yep, they are pronounced the same... "/m{T/" and "/m{TEm{tIks/" (although I guess "/m{DEm{tIks/", ... would also work, although /T/ and /D/ are generally not distinguished in English). > AHS
From: Arved Sandstrom on 13 Mar 2010 10:34 BGB / cr88192 wrote: > "Arved Sandstrom" <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:gwMmn.68043$Db2.64462(a)edtnps83... >> Stefan Ram wrote: >>> What is the neutral American English pronunciation used by >>> programmers, when they say �Math.sin�? >>> >>> I assume that I already know the sequence of consonants used >>> while saying this: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilabial_nasal >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_fricative >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_nasal >>> >>> But which are the vowels used for �a� and �i�? >>> > > /{/ as in "cat" and "ran". > /I/ as in "hit" and "city". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_front_unrounded_vowel > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-close_near-front_unrounded_vowel > > >>> Is �sin� pronounced like �sine�? >>> >>> Is �sin�, when meaning �sine�, pronounced like �sin� (in the >>> sens of �A violation of a moral or religious law�)? >>> >>> Is �Math� pronounced like the start of �mathematics�? >>> >>> Is �Math� pronounced in the same way as �path� (except >>> for the initial consonant)? >>> >>> Is the �.� converted to a word and then also pronounced, >>> if so, to which word? TIA >>> >> I've never heard anyone - math-type, engineer, physicist, programmer - >> ever say anything other than "sine" for "sin". >> > > "sine" is the meaning, but "sin" is the way one says those letters, so it > depends on the reader. > > it is like seening "ln" and saying "natural log" or, effectively, "elen" > ("/ElEn/" or "/ElUn/"). > or, "cos" as "cosine" or as "/kos/". > > usually, for saying stuff, it is not meaningful to map to semantics prior to > mapping to words. [ SNIP ] Come to think of it, "ln" is another good one - I've almost always heard it pronounced "lon" or "lawn". If someone says "el en" then they very likely have no idea what it means. For "cos" not many folks I know, including myself, have the patience to always say "cosine", but "koss" doesn't sound quite right either, so we end up with "kose". But I guess some folks say "koss"; I won't say it's odd. AHS
From: BGB / cr88192 on 13 Mar 2010 10:40
"rossum" <rossum48(a)coldmail.com> wrote in message news:ag9np5d88fijcmcgit451s70hvv5t5ui2n(a)4ax.com... > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:35:08 GMT, Arved Sandstrom > <dcest61(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>Stefan Ram wrote: >>> What is the neutral American English pronunciation used by >>> programmers, when they say �Math.sin�? >>> >>> I assume that I already know the sequence of consonants used >>> while saying this: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilabial_nasal >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dental_fricative >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_fricative >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_nasal >>> >>> But which are the vowels used for �a� and �i�? >>> >>> Is �sin� pronounced like �sine�? >>> >>> Is �sin�, when meaning �sine�, pronounced like �sin� (in the >>> sens of �A violation of a moral or religious law�)? >>> >>> Is �Math� pronounced like the start of �mathematics�? >>> >>> Is �Math� pronounced in the same way as �path� (except >>> for the initial consonant)? >>> >>> Is the �.� converted to a word and then also pronounced, >>> if so, to which word? >>> >>> TIA >>> >>I've never heard anyone - math-type, engineer, physicist, programmer - >>ever say anything other than "sine" for "sin". >> >>As for pronouncing "math", where I'm from we pronounce "path" and the >>start of "mathematics" the same way. :-) There's a difference somewhere? >>:-) >> >>AHS > Southern English: "path" ==> parth/paath (long-A) > > Northern English: "path" ==> path (short-A) > > "mathematics" always has a short-A > > For a look at the intricacies of English pronunciation google "ghoti", > pronounced 'fish'. > except that an actual English speaker will see it and see it as "goaty"... just because somone somewhere can claim that this has a particular pronunciation, if actual people will not pronounce it that way upon seeing it, then it is not a particularly valid example of the pronunciation rules. as I see it, pronunciation is essentially a dictionary-lookup scheme anyways, and so edge cases don't necessarily constitute valid general rules. the words essentially have 2 semi-unrelated representations: their photetic representation, or the valid lists of phones which could be recognized as a particular word; their graphical representation, which is can be regarded as a glyph essentially independent of the way it is said (at best, it provides a hint as to the phonetic form, but it is not an exact mapping). really, one can see that spelling is not too much unlike hanzi / kanji, where the lithographic form is fixed, but some fluidity is allowed as to which sounds it is associated, which may be based on dialect / language, context, and other factors, such as with "polish" (the polish was shiny) and "Polish" (the furniture was Polish), ... so, really, reading/writing English, and speaking English, could be validly regarded as different activities depending on different skill-sets (much like how one needs no real knowledge of Mandarin to understand the meaning of hanzi...). or such... |