From: unruh on
On 2010-04-19, Bonno Bloksma <bbloksma(a)xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Using Debian Lenny, default install of ntp on several servers.
> The only change applied on most servers is to add a line to a nearby startum 2 server.
> Somehow is looks as if the ntp server is running ok but clients cannot connect.
>
> Can I assume rdate is a proper ntp client?

No. rdate has absolutely nothing to do with ntp. It is an ancient time
deamon/proceedure.


> And if rdate -p 127.0.0.1 fails that there is a problem?

No, rdate has nothing to do with ntp. It does NOT use the ntp protocol.
YOu could try ntpdate.


From: Rick Jones on
Bonno Bloksma <bbloksma(a)xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On a HP switch there is the option TimeP or SNTP. Eventhough TimeP
> is still the default it seems I then need to use SNTP to talk to a
> NTP server.

Yes. You should use SNTP rather than TimeP

> If I have other hardware that only understands RFC868, can I service
> them as well, is there a converter available I can install on my
> Debian Lenny servers?

You could install/enable xinted - not sure if it has a date/time
built-in service like most inetds or not but that should become
obvious in short order. I wouldn't count on "great" time
synchronization that way though.

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From: unruh on
On 2010-04-19, Rick Jones <rick.jones2(a)hp.com> wrote:
> Bonno Bloksma <bbloksma(a)xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On a HP switch there is the option TimeP or SNTP. Eventhough TimeP
>> is still the default it seems I then need to use SNTP to talk to a
>> NTP server.
>
> Yes. You should use SNTP rather than TimeP

Or ntpd, or chrony, both of which will discipline your local time to
better than a ms.
sntp is a cutdown implimentation of ntp for use for final leaves in a
tree ( ie it shoulc not be used as a server for anything else). Your
switch may well be something you use to then discipline other clocks on
your network.


>
>> If I have other hardware that only understands RFC868, can I service
>> them as well, is there a converter available I can install on my
>> Debian Lenny servers?
>
> You could install/enable xinted - not sure if it has a date/time
> built-in service like most inetds or not but that should become
??? What has xinetd to do with time? Or inetd?

> obvious in short order. I wouldn't count on "great" time
> synchronization that way though.
>
> rick jones
From: Rick Jones on
unruh <unruh(a)wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
> On 2010-04-19, Rick Jones <rick.jones2(a)hp.com> wrote:
> > Bonno Bloksma <bbloksma(a)xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >> On a HP switch there is the option TimeP or SNTP. Eventhough
> >> TimeP is still the default it seems I then need to use SNTP to
> >> talk to a NTP server.
> >
> > Yes. You should use SNTP rather than TimeP

> Or ntpd, or chrony, both of which will discipline your local time to
> better than a ms.

Have you ported chrony to HP ProCurve switches?-)

rick jones
--
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From: unruh on
On 2010-04-19, Rick Jones <rick.jones2(a)hp.com> wrote:
> unruh <unruh(a)wormhole.physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-19, Rick Jones <rick.jones2(a)hp.com> wrote:
>> > Bonno Bloksma <bbloksma(a)xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> >> On a HP switch there is the option TimeP or SNTP. Eventhough
>> >> TimeP is still the default it seems I then need to use SNTP to
>> >> talk to a NTP server.
>> >
>> > Yes. You should use SNTP rather than TimeP
>
>> Or ntpd, or chrony, both of which will discipline your local time to
>> better than a ms.
>
> Have you ported chrony to HP ProCurve switches?-)

What operating system do they run? If it is linux or bsd then it might
well work. If not, then no.

>
> rick jones
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