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From: krw on 5 Jun 2010 15:44 On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:54:59 -0400, "Michael Robinson" <nospam(a)billburg.com> wrote: > >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >news:ri6l061i2bppmv76jj4rkta7n4411bp6bn(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:30:26 -0400, "Michael Robinson" >> <nospam(a)billburg.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote >>>in >>>message news:fi2l069if2258t9cr7lk1svk41v5n1bn4t(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:10:12 -0700, John Larkin >>>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:04:48 -0400, "Michael Robinson" >>>>><nospam(a)billburg.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In order to study at UVM you have to satisfy the diveristy requirment >>>>>>(classes that address racism etc). All good and well, I suppose. Then >>>>>>I >>>>>>looked a bit deeper, and was appalled >>>>>> >>>>>>In the section regarding transfer credits that fulfill the diversity >>>>>>requirement, it says the course must >>>>>> >>>>>>"... include content that fosters self reflection regarding one's own >>>>>>prejudices in a manner that is observable by the instructor." >>>>>> >>>>>>It's reminiscent of enforced self-criticism in the former Soviet Union >>>>>>and >>>>>>Maoist China. >>>>>> >>>>>>How would a student entering UVM fight politically correct >>>>>>brainwashing? >>>>>>If >>>>>>you were to protest it outright, you would immediately get branded as a >>>>>>racist. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Go overboard and parody it. You'll have fun, they won't get it, and >>>>>everybody will be happy. >>>>> >>>>>Part of why you go to college is to learn how to manipulate the >>>>>professors, with minumum energy expended. >>>>> >>>>>John >>>>> >>>> >>>> A UVM oxymoron: "...excellence in liberal education..." >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >>>Hey Jim, you already know this but I'm going to say it anyway. >>>"Liberal" education has nothing to do with current politics, or any sort >>>of >>>politics. >>>Here's a quote that expresses what liberal education means pretty well: >>>"In classical antiquity, the liberal arts denoted the education proper to >>>a >>>free man (Latin: liberus, "free")" (from Wikipedia). >>>My complaint is _not_ that UVM is too liberal (in the sense used in >>>American >>>politics), >>>but that it is not liberal enough, in the true meaning of the word >>>liberal: >>>that is, free. As in intellectual freedom. >>>You see the word liberal and it's like somebody hit your knee with a >>>rubber >>>hammer. >>> >> >> Exactly. Leftist is the enemy of liberal. >> >> John >> > >It doesn't matter which turn signal is doing the blinking. >I complained about something that's associated with "liberalism," and then >everybody jumped on the us-versus-them bandwagon. What's the point of >trying to open a discussion about something meaningful when it just >degenerates into the same old bashing we see every day here on the >newsgroups and public discourse in general? It's tiresome. And there's no >mental stimulation in it. Yet you continue to fan the flames, then whine about it. A typical leftist move.
From: krw on 5 Jun 2010 15:44 On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:30:26 -0400, "Michael Robinson" <nospam(a)billburg.com> wrote: > >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:fi2l069if2258t9cr7lk1svk41v5n1bn4t(a)4ax.com... >> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:10:12 -0700, John Larkin >> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:04:48 -0400, "Michael Robinson" >>><nospam(a)billburg.com> wrote: >>> >>>>In order to study at UVM you have to satisfy the diveristy requirment >>>>(classes that address racism etc). All good and well, I suppose. Then >>>>I >>>>looked a bit deeper, and was appalled >>>> >>>>In the section regarding transfer credits that fulfill the diversity >>>>requirement, it says the course must >>>> >>>>"... include content that fosters self reflection regarding one's own >>>>prejudices in a manner that is observable by the instructor." >>>> >>>>It's reminiscent of enforced self-criticism in the former Soviet Union >>>>and >>>>Maoist China. >>>> >>>>How would a student entering UVM fight politically correct brainwashing? >>>>If >>>>you were to protest it outright, you would immediately get branded as a >>>>racist. >>>> >>> >>>Go overboard and parody it. You'll have fun, they won't get it, and >>>everybody will be happy. >>> >>>Part of why you go to college is to learn how to manipulate the >>>professors, with minumum energy expended. >>> >>>John >>> >> >> A UVM oxymoron: "...excellence in liberal education..." >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Hey Jim, you already know this but I'm going to say it anyway. >"Liberal" education has nothing to do with current politics, or any sort of >politics. It's the *only* definition that makes sense when talking about UVM. There is nothing classically liberal about the whole state. >Here's a quote that expresses what liberal education means pretty well: >"In classical antiquity, the liberal arts denoted the education proper to a >free man (Latin: liberus, "free")" (from Wikipedia). >My complaint is _not_ that UVM is too liberal (in the sense used in American >politics), >but that it is not liberal enough, in the true meaning of the word liberal: >that is, free. As in intellectual freedom. >You see the word liberal and it's like somebody hit your knee with a rubber >hammer. >
From: John Doe on 5 Jun 2010 15:45 "krw att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:54:59 -0400, "Michael Robinson" <nospam billburg.com> > wrote: > >> >>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message >>news:ri6l061i2bppmv76jj4rkta7n4411bp6bn 4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:30:26 -0400, "Michael Robinson" >>> <nospam billburg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote >>>>in >>>>message news:fi2l069if2258t9cr7lk1svk41v5n1bn4t 4ax.com... >>>>> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:10:12 -0700, John Larkin >>>>> <jjlarkin highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:04:48 -0400, "Michael Robinson" >>>>>><nospam billburg.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In order to study at UVM you have to satisfy the diveristy requirment >>>>>>>(classes that address racism etc). All good and well, I suppose. Then >>>>>>>I >>>>>>>looked a bit deeper, and was appalled >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In the section regarding transfer credits that fulfill the diversity >>>>>>>requirement, it says the course must >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"... include content that fosters self reflection regarding one's own >>>>>>>prejudices in a manner that is observable by the instructor." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It's reminiscent of enforced self-criticism in the former Soviet Union >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>Maoist China. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How would a student entering UVM fight politically correct >>>>>>>brainwashing? >>>>>>>If >>>>>>>you were to protest it outright, you would immediately get branded as a >>>>>>>racist. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Go overboard and parody it. You'll have fun, they won't get it, and >>>>>>everybody will be happy. >>>>>> >>>>>>Part of why you go to college is to learn how to manipulate the >>>>>>professors, with minumum energy expended. >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A UVM oxymoron: "...excellence in liberal education..." >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>>>Hey Jim, you already know this but I'm going to say it anyway. >>>>"Liberal" education has nothing to do with current politics, or any sort >>>>of >>>>politics. >>>>Here's a quote that expresses what liberal education means pretty well: >>>>"In classical antiquity, the liberal arts denoted the education proper to >>>>a >>>>free man (Latin: liberus, "free")" (from Wikipedia). >>>>My complaint is _not_ that UVM is too liberal (in the sense used in >>>>American >>>>politics), >>>>but that it is not liberal enough, in the true meaning of the word >>>>liberal: >>>>that is, free. As in intellectual freedom. >>>>You see the word liberal and it's like somebody hit your knee with a >>>>rubber >>>>hammer. >>>> >>> >>> Exactly. Leftist is the enemy of liberal. >>> >>> John >>> >> >>It doesn't matter which turn signal is doing the blinking. >>I complained about something that's associated with "liberalism," and then >>everybody jumped on the us-versus-them bandwagon. What's the point of >>trying to open a discussion about something meaningful when it just >>degenerates into the same old bashing we see every day here on the >>newsgroups and public discourse in general? It's tiresome. And there's no >>mental stimulation in it. > > Yet you continue to fan the flames, then whine about it. A typical leftist > move. You need to get off the corn cob... -- > Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news-out.octanews.net!indigo.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!news2.arglkargh.de!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail > From: "krw att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: Re: political correctness at UVM > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:44:10 -0500 > Lines: 88 > Message-ID: <97al06l62h5uipdi8kers0tptnobid9td7 4ax.com> > References: <KsvOn.29$Xp4.19 newsfe23.iad> <o11l06ho42cj9gs2cfciqa19252tfvv8r8 4ax.com> <fi2l069if2258t9cr7lk1svk41v5n1bn4t 4ax.com> <3JwOn.18575$%u7.1014 newsfe14.iad> <ri6l061i2bppmv76jj4rkta7n4411bp6bn 4ax.com> <34xOn.36353$rU6.2826 newsfe10.iad> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Trace: individual.net hqI3I+eE8UlVgMgADfZ/3gX8etbmhBM/BbWEK8KnlMqI4mJpg+ > Cancel-Lock: sha1:ewweaSI4NY3zhFO/Frjcm/iBCz4= > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 >
From: mickgeyver on 7 Jun 2010 18:32
On Jun 5, 1:04 pm, "Michael Robinson" <nos...(a)billburg.com> wrote: > In order to study at UVM you have to satisfy the diveristy requirment > (classes that address racism etc). All good and well, I suppose. Then I > looked a bit deeper, and was appalled > > In the section regarding transfer credits that fulfill the diversity > requirement, it says the course must > > "... include content that fosters self reflection regarding one's own > prejudices in a manner that is observable by the instructor." > > It's reminiscent of enforced self-criticism in the former Soviet Union and > Maoist China. > > How would a student entering UVM fight politically correct brainwashing? If > you were to protest it outright, you would immediately get branded as a > racist. > > I doubt they would even tolerate someone acting the detached devil's > advocate, as in a structured debate. > > However, defending the inviolability of one's own mind, and not having it > manipulated, is not the same thing as racism. I might want to defend a > position that I don't even believe in, for that matter. There's no > consciousness of ambiguity, irony, or objectivity when it comes to issues of > political correctness. > > What's the antidote? go find yourself another university. I've known several folks that went part time there, then went full time and UVM would not accept their own courses for credit transfer. al |