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From: Doug McIntyre on 13 Sep 2009 13:47
Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes:
>I'll probably be buying an Ultra 27
>in the next week or so, but Sun's disks prices are rather steep.


Nothing new there? Been that way for ages and ages from all the big
enterprise shops?


>1 TB 7200 rpm SATA Disk Drive with Bracket is � 540.00 here in the UK
>($902).

>I currently use a couple of external 1 TB mirrored drives, but would not
>make heavy use of them, as they are cheap drives. But enterprise grade
>disks are available for a lot less from elsewhere. Is it possible to get
>the spud backets for these? If not, though thought of buying 4 x 250 GB
>drives, throwing away the drives, and putting 4 x 1 TB disks in place
>had crossed my mind.

If you are concerned about price, why are you thinking of buying Sun
branded hardware when the exact same insides are available from the
likes of Dell and whatnot for 20-45% less? (and I am comparing
equivilent gear at the higher end Dell workstations, not the cheapest
consumer gear I can price out). Its not like the Sun build quality
is super steller compared to others. Granted, that swing is from the
top two Xeon processors being the same price at Dell, compared to big
difference in price at Sun.

But, Sun does not sell the SPUD bracket seperately, much like any other
company that don't either.
You can only get the drive and bracket together.

But they've been using the same one for quite sometime, and there's
plenty of refurb options available for Sun 540-6562. Anywhere from
$30-$100 and inbetween.

From: Cydrome Leader on 13 Sep 2009 18:02
Doug McIntyre <merlyn(a)geeks.org> wrote:
> Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes:
>>I'll probably be buying an Ultra 27
>>in the next week or so, but Sun's disks prices are rather steep.
>
>
> Nothing new there? Been that way for ages and ages from all the big
> enterprise shops?
>
>
>>1 TB 7200 rpm SATA Disk Drive with Bracket is ? 540.00 here in the UK
>>($902).
>
>>I currently use a couple of external 1 TB mirrored drives, but would not
>>make heavy use of them, as they are cheap drives. But enterprise grade
>>disks are available for a lot less from elsewhere. Is it possible to get
>>the spud backets for these? If not, though thought of buying 4 x 250 GB
>>drives, throwing away the drives, and putting 4 x 1 TB disks in place
>>had crossed my mind.
>
> If you are concerned about price, why are you thinking of buying Sun
> branded hardware when the exact same insides are available from the
> likes of Dell and whatnot for 20-45% less? (and I am comparing
> equivilent gear at the higher end Dell workstations, not the cheapest
> consumer gear I can price out). Its not like the Sun build quality
> is super steller compared to others. Granted, that swing is from the
> top two Xeon processors being the same price at Dell, compared to big
> difference in price at Sun.

This is probably true. Sun's PC hardware is pretty bogus too.

Nobody else requires drive caddies in a desktop anyways, especially ones
you can't hot swap and can only access by tearing the machine apart in the
first place.





From: Dave on 13 Sep 2009 21:57
Doug McIntyre wrote:
> Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes:
>> I'll probably be buying an Ultra 27
>> in the next week or so, but Sun's disks prices are rather steep.
>
>
> Nothing new there? Been that way for ages and ages from all the big
> enterprise shops?

I remember my system admin where I worked bought a Sun 20 GB drive for
an Ultra 5/10 and paid a fortune for it. My head of department said to
me it was a 'stone age drive'. I got a drive somewhat over 130 GB
(there's a limit around that point on those machines), paid a lot less.
After a lot of huffing a puffing, the system admin installed the larger,
cheaper drive in another machine.
>
>
>> 1 TB 7200 rpm SATA Disk Drive with Bracket is � 540.00 here in the UK
>> ($902).
>
>> I currently use a couple of external 1 TB mirrored drives, but would not
>> make heavy use of them, as they are cheap drives. But enterprise grade
>> disks are available for a lot less from elsewhere. Is it possible to get
>> the spud backets for these? If not, though thought of buying 4 x 250 GB
>> drives, throwing away the drives, and putting 4 x 1 TB disks in place
>> had crossed my mind.
>
> If you are concerned about price, why are you thinking of buying Sun
> branded hardware when the exact same insides are available from the
> likes of Dell and whatnot for 20-45% less? (and I am comparing
> equivilent gear at the higher end Dell workstations, not the cheapest
> consumer gear I can price out). Its not like the Sun build quality
> is super steller compared to others. Granted, that swing is from the
> top two Xeon processors being the same price at Dell, compared to big
> difference in price at Sun.

I know if I buy Sun and install Solaris, things will just work. I don't
want the hassle of finding something from Dell/HP or whatever that will
work. I can ask on here and say:

'I have a Sun Ultra 27 and have problems X'

and are likely to get an answer. It's less clear with non-Sun equipment.

But I am not over keen on paying really prices for disks.

I was thinking of buying the top Xeon, but one has to admit, the
price/performance ratio of that CPU is pretty damm high. \

2.66 GHz = �301
2.93 GHz = �640
3.20 GHz = �1150
3.33 GHz = �1150

(I've not worked out why anyone would want the 3.2 GHz Intel Xeon
Processor 3570 when they can have the faster 3580 for the same money.)

The FSB of the two faster CPUs is higher, but that advantage is lost if
one uses more than 7 GB RAM.

> But, Sun does not sell the SPUD bracket seperately, much like any other
> company that don't either.
> You can only get the drive and bracket together.

I thought that might be the case.

> But they've been using the same one for quite sometime, and there's
> plenty of refurb options available for Sun 540-6562. Anywhere from
> $30-$100 and inbetween.

Thank you. I'll bear that in mind.

Dave

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From: Hugh Coomes on 13 Sep 2009 22:13
Dave wrote:
> I'll probably be buying an Ultra 27
>
> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra27/
>
> in the next week or so, but Sun's disks prices are rather steep.
>
> 1 TB 7200 rpm SATA Disk Drive with Bracket is � 540.00 here in the UK
> ($902).
>
> I currently use a couple of external 1 TB mirrored drives, but would not
> make heavy use of them, as they are cheap drives. But enterprise grade
> disks are available for a lot less from elsewhere. Is it possible to get
> the spud backets for these? If not, though thought of buying 4 x 250 GB
> drives, throwing away the drives, and putting 4 x 1 TB disks in place
> had crossed my mind.
>
>
The spud bracket Sun is using in the Ultra 24 and the Ultra 27 is
540-6562. I am using 540-3024 SPUD brackets in an Ultra 24 with
no problem. The 540-3024 seem to have the same dimensions as the
540-6562 as far as my eye can tell, but look like the plastic parts are
of different materials. There are plenty of the 540-3024 for sale on EBay.
From: Cydrome Leader on 14 Sep 2009 11:42
Dave <foo(a)coo.com> wrote:
> Doug McIntyre wrote:
>> Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes:
>>> I'll probably be buying an Ultra 27
>>> in the next week or so, but Sun's disks prices are rather steep.
>>
>>
>> Nothing new there? Been that way for ages and ages from all the big
>> enterprise shops?
>
> I remember my system admin where I worked bought a Sun 20 GB drive for
> an Ultra 5/10 and paid a fortune for it. My head of department said to
> me it was a 'stone age drive'. I got a drive somewhat over 130 GB
> (there's a limit around that point on those machines), paid a lot less.
> After a lot of huffing a puffing, the system admin installed the larger,
> cheaper drive in another machine.
>>
>>
>>> 1 TB 7200 rpm SATA Disk Drive with Bracket is ? 540.00 here in the UK
>>> ($902).
>>
>>> I currently use a couple of external 1 TB mirrored drives, but would not
>>> make heavy use of them, as they are cheap drives. But enterprise grade
>>> disks are available for a lot less from elsewhere. Is it possible to get
>>> the spud backets for these? If not, though thought of buying 4 x 250 GB
>>> drives, throwing away the drives, and putting 4 x 1 TB disks in place
>>> had crossed my mind.
>>
>> If you are concerned about price, why are you thinking of buying Sun
>> branded hardware when the exact same insides are available from the
>> likes of Dell and whatnot for 20-45% less? (and I am comparing
>> equivilent gear at the higher end Dell workstations, not the cheapest
>> consumer gear I can price out). Its not like the Sun build quality
>> is super steller compared to others. Granted, that swing is from the
>> top two Xeon processors being the same price at Dell, compared to big
>> difference in price at Sun.
>
> I know if I buy Sun and install Solaris, things will just work. I don't
> want the hassle of finding something from Dell/HP or whatever that will
> work. I can ask on here and say:

solaris runs fine on plenty of better made PCs as well.

there's honestly no "edge" to sun branded pc hardware. it's seriously
bogus hardware and way bloated prices.

I can agree that I'd not start slamming ebay hard disks in a sparc box
running a business, but the ripoff factor seems lower on that stuff.

> 'I have a Sun Ultra 27 and have problems X'
>
> and are likely to get an answer. It's less clear with non-Sun equipment.

I've found sun's support for x86 stuff weak, at least compared to the
sparc stuff. I've tried and rejected trial units of their x86 stuff as the
product and support sucked.

Sun was completely unable to provide PXE boot + jumpstart recipies that
worked, even when escalated to the networking group in NY. I've not
looked, but they still probably have some guide from 2006 that's useless
unless you run solaris 10 09/05 or something like that.

It seems they want to peddle this pc hardware, but don't take it
seriously past the marketing part.

Luckily, since the ultra 27 just a PC with generic hardware and
BIOS/firmware on parts just buying old junk drives with the SCSI sized
SATA drives for carrier may be just fine. There were a bunch of pc servers
from sun that used that caddy, with the white handle.
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